What should tweeters sound like by themselves?
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New member Username: SweatyogrePA USA Post Number: 10 Registered: Mar-06 | I just got two tweeters that I ordered in the mail today, and I decided to test them out on my 5 CD changer in my house before I take the time to install them in my truck. They sound really high pitched and almost staticy. Is that normal for tweeters alone? |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaAlabama Post Number: 1045 Registered: Dec-05 | yes. do u expect basss out of them or wut? |
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Silver Member Username: Bnd_rulezPhoenix, AZ USA Post Number: 881 Registered: Mar-05 | They are highs. and probably staticy because they were playing frequencies to low for them. |
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Bronze Member Username: SweatyogrePA USA Post Number: 12 Registered: Mar-06 | No, I don't expect bass out of them. I'm new to car audio and I just wanted to make sure my tweeters weren't fucked up. |
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Gold Member Username: TheelfkeeperStockbridge, GA USA Post Number: 1487 Registered: Feb-05 | they will be if you don't have proper crossovers on them to cut out all lower frequencies. |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaAlabama Post Number: 1047 Registered: Dec-05 | whoa........u can say FUCKED. this forums stupid |
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Silver Member Username: MixneffectOrangevale, Ca. USA Post Number: 869 Registered: Apr-05 | A tweeter should not sound statiky. It should sound rather clean, crisp, no overhang, no choppy, raspy tst tst. It should sound as if you were scared in the dark and you stopped to hear if anyone is gonna get you. It seems that is when you focus the most on your hearing. That is when you can hear a pin drop. THATS WHAT A TWEETER SHOUD SOUND LIKE. |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaAlabama Post Number: 1050 Registered: Dec-05 | i think your tweeters blew. thats wut mine sounded like wen they blew.........those cheap azz cuspid tweeters |
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Bronze Member Username: SweatyogrePA USA Post Number: 14 Registered: Mar-06 | Hahaha, that's what they are. They were really cheap on eBay. |
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Silver Member Username: PalanzaPost Number: 106 Registered: Dec-05 | Mine sound a little staticy.. I'm just assuming its my crappy amp or noise in the line. Doesnt bother me much so I wont be worried til I get a new amp. |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaAlabama Post Number: 1057 Registered: Dec-05 | ya those cuspid or the lookalike black niodimium tweeters u get at the swapmeet get worn after a while if u play them loud. it gets worn down to the point where u cant even hear them. i change mine every once on a while. |
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Silver Member Username: AlteraudiousaConcord Post Number: 491 Registered: Jan-06 | they should sound clear and high and lacking any to all depth on them. You should really only hear like the singers voice and maybe some of the guitar or cymbals, etc. |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaAlabama Post Number: 1058 Registered: Dec-05 | yeah like when u turn it up. it doesnt sound like "tss, tss" no more. only when its at low volume. at high volumes they sound like a "hissssss". if u know wut i mean. |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 851 Registered: Feb-05 | lacking any and all depth on them? do you realise that most of the depth perception in recordings is from the HF and UHF content? A good tweeter will make the soundstage wider, taller, and deeper. go listen to a good quality speaker with a diamond, planar, electrostatic, or dome tweeter. Morel is a line that comes to mind when thinking of car audio with fantastic highs, but they are expensive. |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaCalifornia Post Number: 1112 Registered: Dec-05 | ya it lacks depth at high voulume when u r in the car. but when ur out side u can hear it much more clearly and it starts sounding like "tss,tss" again. is it cuz higher frequencies travel farther and takes longer to mature than mids? |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 864 Registered: Feb-05 | its possible you have a bad audio system, or are listening at way too high a volume. Any frequency at approx 110Db will lack any depth to it unless you are using an ultra high end audiophile floorstanding speaker. These start at around $5,000 a pair, and can easily top 200 grand. the statement that you made about the frequencies "maturing" does not make any sense. All frequencies "mature" as soon as they leave the source, and yes, that is the same with bass frequencies, they just are longer and need more room to properly propegate. If the tweeters lack depth at high volumes, get better tweeters., and possibly back off of the volume control. And, if you do in fact have ultra high quality tweeters ($75 to $100 a pop, sometimes even more) then you are hearing the flaws of the recording. Many recordings are over produced and this creates a sterile image. |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 866 Registered: Feb-05 | http://www.eminent-tech.com/lft10/carspeaker.html this is an example of an ultra high quality car audio tweeter. They cost $180 each, but the sound quality is second to none. and yes, these tweeters have a TON of depth to them: "Narrow directivity requires on axis or reflective positioning and assures excellent imaging" excellent imaging from a tweeter (where the majority of the image stability comes from)requires lots of depth. |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaCalifornia Post Number: 1130 Registered: Dec-05 | ^^^that dont look like a tweeter |
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Gold Member Username: RovinTrinidad & T... Post Number: 7033 Registered: Jul-05 | hey u all Pelon is actually saying something useful 4 a change & not like all the usual sh!t he posts on the sub section ..... |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaCalifornia Post Number: 1132 Registered: Dec-05 | go fu ck yourself rovin |
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Gold Member Username: RovinTrinidad & T... Post Number: 7041 Registered: Jul-05 | & now he is back 2 his retarded old self Hey Pelon >>>>>>>  |
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Gold Member Username: Jonathan_fGA USA Post Number: 5883 Registered: May-04 | IMO, all car audio compact domes should sound like Rainbow Platinum tweeters  Those were lovely. |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaCalifornia Post Number: 1135 Registered: Dec-05 | now loook whos acting like a dumass rovin....... |
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Gold Member Username: RovinTrinidad & T... Post Number: 7044 Registered: Jul-05 | well just this 1 time im acting like 1 - but Pelon ur constantly behaving like 1 daily in ur various posts all over ....... |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaCalifornia Post Number: 1136 Registered: Dec-05 | so....... |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 867 Registered: Feb-05 | actually that IS a tweeter, it is a planar magnetic tweeter, and if you were familiar with the true high end of audio reproduction, be it home or car, you would have known this. Freddy, your lack of knowledge in this subject area is mind blowing. You act like you know more than what you really do, and that is very misleading to others looking for information. |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaCalifornia Post Number: 1137 Registered: Dec-05 | what lack of knowledge? all i said is it dont look like a tweeter u fcken dumbass |
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Silver Member Username: Touche6784USA Post Number: 956 Registered: Nov-04 | haha, pelon is a noob. |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 875 Registered: Feb-05 | lack of knowledge: agreeing that a tweeter does not impart any depth to the sound. anyone that knows anything will say... BULLSHIT! this is why I rarely venture over to the car audio forum. I usually stay in the home audio section. I suppose that you think that a subwoofer and a tweeter will give you 20Hz-20KHz flat too... here is my advice... buy a car with a Bose audio aystem. Most of us know they are shitty, but at least they are better than the stock systems that come with a ford escort. That way, you can save yourself from fcuking with it. :-) |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaCalifornia Post Number: 1138 Registered: Dec-05 | "agreeing that a tweeter does not impart any depth to the sound. " wtf?! when did i say that?! ur stupid and u have to read your sentences more carefully |
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Silver Member Username: Touche6784USA Post Number: 958 Registered: Nov-04 | noob |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaCalifornia Post Number: 1146 Registered: Dec-05 | i bet i know more than u chris and i dont know wut that gavin foo is talking about. he just cant read or sumthin. he must be on crack |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 887 Registered: Feb-05 | Freddy said: "ya it lacks depth at high voulume when u r in the car." so yes, you agreed that tweeters lack depth. Even at high volumes, if you have a good set they should not lack depth! And I highly doubt that you know more about audio reproduction, be it home or car, than myself. get your facts straight before you make a post. Most of yours, I have noticed, are full on non-sequitar comments that can actually lead people in the opposite direction of what they want to achieve, such as the one I pointed out! |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 888 Registered: Feb-05 | your age is all of a sudden becomming all too obvious. |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 890 Registered: Feb-05 | Chris, maybe Freddy needs to listen to a pair of morel supremo tweets ($600 a pair), then he would possibly change his mind quickly. The supremo is one of the best car audio tweets I have ever heard, and for most music I would take it over a planar. They aren't as "beamy" |
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Silver Member Username: Touche6784USA Post Number: 959 Registered: Nov-04 | i think pelon needs to graduate from HS first then maybe we can talk about audio. its fun over here gavin. you get to rail on idiots that havent hit puberty yet and get replies as brilliant as pelon's. |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaCalifornia Post Number: 1158 Registered: Dec-05 | yea i did say that those tweeters. the cuspid ones. lack any depth and sq at high volumes. but just cuz of that u think i dont know anything? i cant have my own opinion on something? |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 895 Registered: Feb-05 | LMAO CHRIS!!! I wonder how many highschoolers have heard of brands such as: MartinLogan Magnepan Wilson Audio (speakers start at $10 grand a pair) VonSchweikert Bowers and Wilkins (B&W) Quad Epos Totem Thiel Ascend Alegria Avalon Acoustics Anthony Gallo Acoustics Joseph Audio Keep in mind Im 22, but i bought my ML's when I was in highschool, along with the rotel amp that I still use today. Sadly, the 'Logans didn't jive right with my room, and the woofer-panel disconect was annoying. Thnakfully ML replaced the Scenario (I had) with the Clarity, which is an awesome speaker. I wish that I had the option to buy the clarity (or even the montage and mosaic) when I was looking for speakers back then.  |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 896 Registered: Feb-05 | the see-through part is actually the speaker. that is a pic of the clarity, which retail for roughly $2700 a pair. |
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Silver Member Username: Touche6784USA Post Number: 961 Registered: Nov-04 | i only knew of mission, rotel, B&W, adcom, marantz and boston acoustics in HS. but that was only because my dad had bought these things. HS kids these days only know infinity, alpine, clarion, audiobahn, etc. music has depreciated to pop, boom sizzle stuff. |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 907 Registered: Feb-05 | lets not forget about Bose :-) The biggest rip-off on the planet this has gravitated away from the topic, so I will stop now before it turns into a flame war. |
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Gold Member Username: Jonathan_fGA USA Post Number: 5891 Registered: May-04 | Martin Logans are lovely, though |
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Bronze Member Username: ZepcoeTN Us Post Number: 29 Registered: Apr-06 | Dude why you guys hatin on highschoolers you went through it or mabe started it. Every one hast to start someonewhere may as well be from you guys who actually know what your taking about then some dumb a** kid at school who is just tring to be cool but actually is making a fool of himself because he doesnt have a clue of what the fu** he is talking about. So mabe you guys could lay up of some of us that are just here to learn not start sh**. -Zepcoe |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 929 Registered: Feb-05 | I wasn't trying to start anything, and if you read my last post, I said the following: "this has gravitated away from the topic, so I will stop now before this turns into a flame war." I have always been around high end equipment my whole life, so to say that I had to start learning somewhere...lets see... possibly when I was 6 :-) |
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Silver Member Username: Touche6784USA Post Number: 962 Registered: Nov-04 | zepcoe, if you actually read what he normally writes, you will see he has very little intention on learning things. he is just a jack@ss that likes to stir up arguements that contradict himself. people here get respect if they deserve it. he doesnt deserve any. |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaCalifornia Post Number: 1194 Registered: Dec-05 | ya i write alot of stupid stuff but i help alot of people too. but were in this thread right now so forget about all the stupid sh!t i write. and i dont know wut ur talking about gavin. u act like i was recomending those cuspid tweeters to that guy. u should read this thread again and tell if im wrong |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 934 Registered: Feb-05 | and my point is that you obviously don't know what a tweeter should sound like, or what one does for your music, otherwise you never would have purchased those in the first place. My thoughts are that you like your music so loud you could blow a klipschorn, and that, my friend, means that you are going to have trouble finding ANY tweeters that sound decent after that kind of abuse. |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaCalifornia Post Number: 1214 Registered: Dec-05 | uuuuuh. man gavin. i know those are cheap tweeters. thats why i got them. i know theyr not the best but i got them cuz im not running them off an amp. im running them off the hu. its not like ill buy some morel tweets and run them off the hu. it wont sound good and itll be a waste of money. and yea i like my music loud. so what. who doesnt. |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 938 Registered: Feb-05 | people that care about their hearing don't like their music 110 Db. The only time that I like it loud is when I go to a live shed or arena show, and that number is bordering on around roughly 150. Even then, I also attend a large amount of unamplified jazz concerts as well, so I know what music should sound like. a word to the wise... you aren't going to have good ears by the time you are my age, and that is only 22. My hearing is perfect as of right now, thanks to a hearing test. you can get some good component systems that will run off of your HU, but I won't reccomend them because you like your music so loud :-) all it will do is distort. |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaCalifornia Post Number: 1229 Registered: Dec-05 | oh thats cool. u seem like one of those older guys that just like to listen to music at a moderate level. well its not that loud. its just run off the hu. and it doesnt hurt my ears. its just one time i had to replace them because i guess from to much volume they got worn out. they sounded like they were quieter. and wut component u talking about? most have their rms too high to be run off the hu |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaCalifornia Post Number: 1230 Registered: Dec-05 | and from ur profile i guess u dont even have a system in ur car. i guess ur only into home audio |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 940 Registered: Feb-05 | actually I do, its a 7 speaker (all speakers are coax) infinity sound system that sounds better than the many shoddy custom installs that I have come across. All the speakers are individually amped, and I have never caused it to clip, at even high levels. The bass is very punchy, and the mids are clear. The highs are OK, but could be better defined. I am possibly going to upgrade all the speakers to Morel this summer, with a Nakamichi HU. I can keep the amps and individually amp the speakers if I so wish. They put out roughly 50 watts to each speaker. and I ocassionaly listen to music at live levels, but I have the system to support it. You clearly don't. That is the difference. and just because a cheap tweeter says it can take 200 watts RMS all day, if you hooked it up to an amp that actually DELIVERED that, you would kill them. They do not have s magnet and voice coil assembly that is strong enough to support it. A tweeter that would be strong enough to support that would have a magnet that looked like it was fit for a midrange, or even a small woofer. |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaPerris, California USA Post Number: 1241 Registered: Dec-05 | but its a stock infinity system right? they come with a little amp on each speaker. and not many tweeters can take 200rms |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 943 Registered: Feb-05 | nope... I forgot to change that. Its all infinity reference, no stock system. I like infinity reference for price / performance ratio, but as I said, the sound could be better. I took it to my local shop (no...not CC or BB) and told them what I wanted, and that was a good (not blow me away awesome, that is what my home system is for) sounding system that had an overall good quality sound to it, and I like what I hear. They installed the infinity reference 3.5 (3, but I had to buy 2 pair), 6.5 inch component system woofers (my decision not to use stock woofers), and 6X9. Although it isn't true to life, it is pleasent to listen to, especially at the lower to middle of the range on the volume control. I care more for home hifi instead of car audio for now, and put my money where I will get my enjoyment. I could have done better, but I could have done far worse. I decided on using the woofers for the component set in my door panels, with the stock crossover to the 3.5's instead of using the tweeters. I don't like my mids on the floor :-). I have 3 3.5's in my dash, with an extra one laying around. Sadly I couldn't buy them individually, so I bought 2 pairs of them so I wouldn't have a stock mid/tweet between the refs. The 6x9, well you know where they went... :-) now...where to put those tweeters from the component system...and how do I work in the crossover so I don't fry them... or do I like the sound as is... That is the debate I am going through currently... I have thought about putting them on the rear pillars and crossing them over to the 6X9's because that may give me the highs that I want. Ugh, it is a neverending battle with me. AND YET I WANT TO UPGRADE TO MOREL??? someone talk me out of it :-) Granted, it won't compete with my magnepans in the livingroom, but it would be assanine for me to expect it to. I have to look and see what they used for amps...can't remember at this moment. I didn't get them from CC, they were from my installer. I know they use / install JL audio amps, but don't think that is what was used. I will get back to you on that once my amplifier dyslexia passes. I hope that helps... I have listened to some of the high end of car audio before I decided on what I have, just so I would know what I COULD have, and I am quite happy. But man do I lust over those Morel Supremo tweeters...now THOSE are highs... |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaPerris, California USA Post Number: 1261 Registered: Dec-05 | are ur references are powered by the stock hu though? ima get infinity references too. 2 4" and 2 6.5" cuz i heard theyr like the best to run of the hu. i have a pioneer hu 22rms x 4 |
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New member Username: JosephmanPost Number: 8 Registered: Apr-06 | ok here it goes i have a problem so i have the CDA-9853 i think its excellent i have majors problems with it but if someone could please help me out with this one issue. I have a 2003 Mitsubishi lancer with the 9853 i have Alpine type S 2-way 6 1/2's in the rear with clarion 6 1/2's 2 way in front i got 2-way speakers because i want all my high and mids in the car and no lows. so here is my problem i dont now how to use the x-crossover properly or the time correction i need to equilize the speaker system out enough to stop having the distorting bass in the car it sounds good but i know it could sound better. i went to Alpine web site to use the I-peronilize but i have no idea what i was doing could someone please help me maybe go to the website adjust the things as needed and send me the file looking at all those number is like looking at german to me so if someone could please help me out with the equilizing of my car that would be awsome. -Joseph- |
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Silver Member Username: Touche6784USA Post Number: 968 Registered: Nov-04 | joseph, why dont you try starting your own thread man. its not that hard. |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 946 Registered: Feb-05 | Freddy, my HU doesn't have amps in it! It is just a tuner / CD player. It is the stock HU. I have not come across any others that are like this, except insanely expensive ones. The CD player is of good quality and flat sounding, so I feel no reason to change it at the moment. I see no reason why your HU wouldn't power them though. If they clip, turn it down until you can get an amp. If you don't, you will destroy the tweeters. |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaPerris, California USA Post Number: 1265 Registered: Dec-05 | even though u have the stock hu which probly puts like 10 x 4 rms did the sound improve when u switched from stock to references? cuz im thinking about putting references in my moms car cuz they blew and it has stock hu |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaPerris, California USA Post Number: 1266 Registered: Dec-05 | and i know ur hu doesnt have any amps. but some stock "aftermarket" systems have little amps to each speaker |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 950 Registered: Feb-05 | yes, I am aware of that. My HU is from one of the "aftermarket" stock systems (infinity). Therefore all that is in the HU is a pre-amp. All the amps on the speakers, as well as the speakers have been replaced. |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaPerris, California USA Post Number: 1297 Registered: Dec-05 | ive heard those with the stock speakers and i didnt like it. but as long as it sounds good to u its all good. im thinkin bout getting me some references too for my car |
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New member Username: NmlbassheadPost Number: 7 Registered: Mar-06 | I saw it posted that you need a crossover or it will hurt the tweeters. What about stock systems? I have 4 tweeters in my stock ride, do they get messed up over time? |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 956 Registered: Feb-05 | no. They have crossovers on them. It is part of the design. But, on a stock system, it may be a simple capacitor to just keep the lows out of the tweeter, while letting the woofer run full range. I was fortunate to have a halfway decent stock system in my car before I upgraded it. And Freddy, if you don't like a seperate pre-amp/ amp combo setup in car audio, I can't imagine how you would fare in the world of high end home audio. Flat sound in reguards to frequenct response (not imaging) is a good thing :-) |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaPerris, California USA Post Number: 1312 Registered: Dec-05 | im not really into home audio. just get a nice stereo with a little subwoofer and that it. ima get a speaker system powered with an amp. theyr gona be jls. but i just want the references til i get the money |
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