i had to tell somebody. i already have the 1000/1 amp and deh p80 deck and im putting the 13w7 in a small sealed box. its going in a 95 lincoln continental. ive always had audiobahn and the 13 is going to have push through leather, also i have never heard one but im sure im in for a treat. im hopin i can at least hit 140 db. im not sure if thats unreasonable for that sub or not. i paid 900 for the amp and 799 for the 13w7 with the matching sealed box both with 2 year warranty. ill post pics as soon as i get it.
$799!!!! for that sub with a 2 year warranty!!! That thing better hit 140 dbs and have some amazing SQ else I would be really angry at whoever you bought it from.
Hey I would bring him down here, he is hyped and understandably so. If he could have gotten his stuff elsewhere for cheaper who cares it is too late now and let him enjoy his purchases! Nice choice on the sub from what I have read anyway!
i didnt say he didnt get a good sub. just overpriced amp.
it would have been better for yo if you did get 2 re 12.1, and hooked to each voice coil and then the w7 would have 2000 watts rms compared to 1000 watts rms, for the same price.
Don't ever buy a Zapco amp if you think the JL is overpriced.
2000W RMS= 3db more than 1000W RMS assuming the sub doesn't bottom out. Not a huge amount of difference, and the 1000/1 is the better built amplifier. I'd rather have it than the 12.1 in all honesty.
For the prices he paid he most likely got them from an authorized shop. Online prices are a bit cheaper. Good choice on the amp I'd say, it's done me well.
Heh - online dosnt mean no warranty - online (generally) means no warranty through JL, but many of the online internet sites (woofersetc, and their AAA rating with the better business bereau come to mind) cover their sold products with a warranty of their own.
honestly never heard a 13w7 jl... only the the w3's and they sounded terrible, but seeing as how these are 6x's the price im sure theyll poun! is 140db's possible with that sub?
usually shops charge about a dollar a watt, so a 1000/1 that puts out 1000watts usually costs $1000 no joke! same goes with the 13w7, i honestly would buy that from an around home shop and pay the extra just to have the warrantee. also when those subs came out they retailed for around $1000 also! so seeing that he got an amazing quality system with components that are perfectly made for each other, that will be loud and meet his needs in sq and spl, and will probably outlast him in the long run(thats what jl says if you run them the way they say to) all for just $1700- thats a full system that he will be able to re-sell for a price very close to that if he wanted to. also the w7's are not dual voice coil, and they are 3ohm. and 140 is very possible with that sub if the install is right.
ohhhh i didn't know that lewass. my apologies to Adam. lol. whenever i check the specs on w7s i always look up the 13w7s so i assumed. thanks for setting me straight lewass.
kyle are you getting the box from jl audio or another custom box? if you are getting the custome box from jl audio then that price for the sub is good.
i wasn't hatin, in all honesty i would rather have my atlas's then w7's, but that overpriced for that amp, around here its $699 for the amp and $599 for the sub.
"Seems like there is a bit of jealousy goin down here! lol"
It's because JL is "mainstream". Because JL is "mainstream", people go and find a product that most have never heard of. Kind of like the people that want to claim they knew of an underground band before they hit it big, it gives them some sense of pride as if they are now masters of the music industry because they know of someone that you don't. So with this pride, they spread the word on every internet forum in the free world so everyone else can have their opportunity to have something unique and different. Before long, it isn't so unique and different anymore. The product is now "mainstream" and people are accused of "jumping on the bandwagon", regardless of if it was an intelligent decision based upon comparing it with competitors in the price range. And since the product that the originating person found isn't so unique anymore, this starts a search for the next product nobody has ever heard of and the process starts all over again .
But I'm sure that I'll get the typical "he's just pissed because he payed x amount of dollars for JL when *insert current forum b0ner* is better" response *rolleyes*. I've been accused of it before and the only JL stuff I have is the amps (which were accumulated, not bought).
I don't see the point in eliminating certain products from your list just because they're out there. I bet half of the people that are on car audio forums putting down "jumping on the bandwagon" are driving Honda Civics and Toyota Camrys I'm all for choosing what will do the job best, regardless of what everybody else says about it.
I agree with Jon too - ppl talking about sub x will kick sub y azz & they never even heard either of em or what they r talking about haven't even been release yet . Sorta like a movie being given rave reviews b4 release , then it bombs @ the box office...
B4 Alteraudio signed on here - 99% of ppl here never even heard of the word SI MAG . AA Havocs r just now being released yet ppl posts it will def beat sub Z .
No1 ever said don't give an opionionated guess but sub ppl r like "IT MOST DEFINITELY WILL BEAT A _____ SUB !" ...... maybe we got some Psychics here on ecoustics ..lol......
yall aren't refering to me are you with all the mainstream talk are you?? lol since i'm doing something different. not dropping JL because everyone has it, its just all i've ever used is JL and Alpine and i wanna try something new. see what else is out there.
i do agree whith the comments on people who talk about things they have never heard. thats just not helpful. and don't care for the people who just hate something because they can't afford it.
Jonathan.....You have excellent ways of desribing things man. You have a great way of explaining everything and makes it that much clearer. Great job man and keep up the good work!!
Well, generally speaking, a person who claims to have a system outfitted with JL throws up the "They said it was the best" flag. Clearly, this isn't necessarily true, but the flag is immediately raised. On the other hand, you say you have a pair of RL-p 12's with Iridium 6.3 up front, you at least "come across" as someone with whom I'm more willing to exchange dialogue Then again, either guy could end up being a pretentious wanna-be. And either system could sound phenomenal or poor. I'm just speaking of first impressions. IMO JL is best and deservingly described as "great and safe." Which, imo, is quite the positive connotation for a brand as a whole to carry. The other signature is "relatively expensive." This obviously helps to secure its high-end status, but also lends to the stigma of it being overpriced.
*Disclaimer* I've always been a JL kind of guy, and would gladly (yet, reluctantly) do an entire JL system. However, because of the brand's popularity, I would much rather make it a stealth install. Mainly to avoid providing the same "They said it was the best" first impression
i have been shot down. i went to pick up the sub and the box they had for me is for the 12w7. so now they are going to make a custom slot box for me. any suggestions on tuning. i was thinking 32 hz.
The 12w7 FS is 27 htz. If you wanted an even lower response i assume you could tune as low as 28 hz. Also, while i was on JL's website I looked at the tutorial for install a W7, it appears as tho the surround on the w7 isnt even attached to the woofer's basket. I never knew that.
The screw holes for the w7 are under the surround, you push the edge of the surround back towards the center of the sub to put the screws in. I just cant see how at full excursion the surround dosnt jump off the basket due to the air pressure inside the box.
"Best sounding subs for the money? You could probably pick up a pair of Mags for that price..."
I am an authorized SI dealer and yes you could pick up a pair of mag 12's for that price. And yes, 2 mag 12's will hit over 150 db's if you have them in the right box with the right amount of power. And they would come with a warranty and I have had customers tell me they liked the mags better than the w7's.
But when it comes down to it the W7 is a great sub and I am sure he will really enjoy it. Not to mention it is cool to have an amp that matches your sub.
"do they do tht so it will have more excursion or so it will look nicer?"
Maybe they do it so you don't have to worry about putting a hole in the surround while you are trying to screw it into your box. That is just an idea i had.
Look ya'll, I was just saying that IMO I would rather two 12" sub's that are said to have great SQ and SPL (that I have read about, seen the excursion on REO, seen the spec sheets, heard about how many dB's it is, and never heard a single complaint about the SQ) than one 13" sub (that I have read about, seen the excursion on REO, seen the spec sheets, heard about how many dB's it is, and never heard a single complaint about the SQ)
"The screw holes for the w7 are under the surround, you push the edge of the surround back towards the center of the sub to put the screws in. I just cant see how at full excursion the surround dosnt jump off the basket due to the air pressure inside the box."
I think the main reason they did it is simply because it looks custom. IMO it looks better than a bunch of visible screws surrounding the sub. But of course there's also the marketability of offering more surface area (not a ton more, mind you). Main benefit is that it doesn't LOSE the surface area that most high excursion subs do, look at the Eclipse Ti for example.
It's pretty simple, really. It's an o-ring that goes over the surround, and a clamp ring that joins the o-ring with the frame of the subwoofer. Strong and simple, no issues from a reliability standpoint.
The one thing I like about the JL amps is the regulated power supply. I plan on getting the Quad 2 ohm version of the xxx. And a jl 1000/1 per 2 VC's would be awesome. Seeing as I plan on having two extra deep cycles isolated under the rear cabin. The 1000/1 puts out on average about 1100 at 11.9-14.4vdc, 1.5- 4 ohms. So seriesed, with the Quad 2, 2 VC's would be 4 ohms. Meaning the amp wouldn't have to work as hard, and running off a battery at 12.8-12.6vdc. It would put out 1000 watts. Same when i'm driving.
If I had another amp that wasn't regulated I would have to worry about why i'm not getting the right amount of power for my subs running off just the deep cycles.
since everybody thinks i overpayed on the amp, the store i bought from lets me upgrade, so do you think i should trade the sub in on another 13w7 and have them make me a dual slot box and run 1 RE amp to each? how much are the re amps and what type of electrical upgraeds am i lookin at? or should i just stick with what i got?
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