Anyone else heard the arsenals?
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Silver Member Username: StamantPensacola, FL USA Post Number: 113 Registered: Sep-04 | I was put on a waiting list for the 12" arsenals. Anyone got them installed? How do they sound? |
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Silver Member Username: StamantPensacola, FL USA Post Number: 114 Registered: Sep-04 | bump |
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Silver Member Username: Iufan4lifeulPost Number: 917 Registered: May-05 | they sound awesome. Great SQ and the lowest bottom end of any sub I have ever heard. SQ beats out all competitors. The subs can play frequencies upwards of 200Hz, therefore, functioning as an awesome Sub/Midbass. |
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Silver Member Username: StamantPensacola, FL USA Post Number: 115 Registered: Sep-04 | Chris, are yours in a sealed or ported box. What size do you have? Anyone else heard them yet? |
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Silver Member Username: HomegrowncamWatauga, TX United States Post Number: 181 Registered: Jan-05 | Also to Paul's statement, what are you powering them by? |
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Silver Member Username: PelonaPost Number: 617 Registered: Dec-05 | are they the lowest bottom end sub? |
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Gold Member Username: B101Queen City, NC USA Post Number: 1181 Registered: Sep-05 | I wouldnt say they are the lowest bottom sub... |
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Silver Member Username: PelonaPost Number: 623 Registered: Dec-05 | what are the lowest bottem end subs? i know the avalanche is one of them. |
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Gold Member Username: B101Queen City, NC USA Post Number: 1184 Registered: Sep-05 | all depends on the subs specs and the box their in. but typically a lower fs will play lower in a low tuned ported box. |
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Silver Member Username: PelonaPost Number: 626 Registered: Dec-05 | yeah. but i think some companies lie about their fs though. like the idmax with its frequency range of 10hz - ?hz. and some of auidioburns subs say they go down to 16hz. |
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Gold Member Username: B101Queen City, NC USA Post Number: 1185 Registered: Sep-05 | Fs is only 1 factor in low frequency extension of a sub, you must also take into account the Qes & Qts. And still box makes a huge difference, typically the bigger the box with a small port tuned low; the lowwer it will hit.. |
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Silver Member Username: PelonaPost Number: 628 Registered: Dec-05 | i think a large sealed box hits lower than a big ported box with a small port tuned low. |
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Gold Member Username: B101Queen City, NC USA Post Number: 1186 Registered: Sep-05 | u think so? ported gets lower. |
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Gold Member Username: B101Queen City, NC USA Post Number: 1187 Registered: Sep-05 | Pelon sealed large box would be able to have excellent power handling, BUT a well designed ported box will SLAUGHTER a sealed box! < in terms of LOWss here http://www.faqs.org/faqs/car-audio/part3/ |
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Silver Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 201 Registered: Jan-06 | I agree and it seems to carry much further too! Polo.. |
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Silver Member Username: PelonaPost Number: 629 Registered: Dec-05 | you expect me to read all that?! |
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Bob365 Unregistered guest | B and Pelon, you're using the word low differently. I agree with Pelon, but understand what B means. A ported sub will unload below tuning and you tune above Fs. Also a ported box requires a subsonic filter. Above tuning, a ported box will play louder than sealed. With a low Fs, you can tune low, but a sealed sub can play a lower than that just not as loud. Example: Arsenal 15 has Fs of 23Hz. Ported box tuned to 25Hz vs Sealed box Play a 27Hz tone, the ported box will be louder. Play a 20Hz tone, the ported box will unload. Now you take something like a Tumult with a Fs of 15Hz on their 18D2  |
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Silver Member Username: SixFlint, MI U.S.A. Post Number: 369 Registered: Oct-05 | I've heard 2 15" Arsenals given 500 wrms each in separate 2.5 cuft chambers with 1.5 lbs polyfill in each. They're in my trunk... my order came to $470 Shipped and got here in like 2 weeks... I'm about to get a Orion 2500D for these bad boys and they'll soon be in 3.5 cuft chambers tuned to 28 hz and given ? amount of power... I Don't know a safe limit of power these can take as of now - soon to fine out :D |
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Gold Member Username: B101Queen City, NC USA Post Number: 1192 Registered: Sep-05 | Bob365 you should go ahead and register, I seen u post a few times b4. I agree with your statement. =D |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Ct Post Number: 5072 Registered: Dec-04 | "Pelon sealed large box would be able to have excellent power handling" A large sealed box will have lower power handling then a low tuned ported enclosure. The power handling is increased the smaller of an enclosure you go with sealed. The larger you go the closer you are getting to a free air or IB set-up. If power handling in a 1.0 cu/ft is 500 then 500 in a 3.5 cu/ft sealed enclosure will most likely cause the sub to reach over excursion very quickly. |
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Gold Member Username: B101Queen City, NC USA Post Number: 1198 Registered: Sep-05 | ^^ agreed James Longo; The smaller sealed has the better power handling. I must have been extremely tired @ 2:30am... =D I was generalizing it as just being sealed. But yeah the biger the sealed box the more it acts as its in free air. Im more of a ported box guy. =D |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Ct Post Number: 5073 Registered: Dec-04 | I wish I had the room to go ported now. When I did have the room I went sealed now I want to go ported and don't have the room well you move on i guess. |
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Gold Member Username: BestmankindLos Angeles, CA USA Post Number: 2432 Registered: Oct-05 | james the sealed sounds so much better. the bass is tighter and sounds more precise. i admit the ported gets louder but to me it just seems like the bass blends in with the rest of the speakers in the car when it is sealed. just my opinion. |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Ct Post Number: 5075 Registered: Dec-04 | yeah Chad I have been running sealed enclosures for the last 3 years. If you tune your sub properly a solid ported enclosure will have better conmtrol then a sealed box. Some people like high tuned (35hz) for SQ, but IMO it really gives you the Boomy effect of the ported enclosure. Where as a low tuned enclosure 25-28hz has great control and sounds fantastic. I am going to run sealed but a nicely designed ported SQ enclosure is a fantastic thing |
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Gold Member Username: Suleman36Maryland U.S.A. Post Number: 3109 Registered: Feb-05 | James im still deciding on sealed or ported on that ID MAX 12 sealed at 1.5 cuft and ported at 2.5 cuft @ 25-28hz and definetly off that ppi a600.2 since the ID MAX 12's are very efficiant and output wont chang much from 600 to 800 with this subwoofer. |
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Gold Member Username: B101Queen City, NC USA Post Number: 1212 Registered: Sep-05 | Im tellin you guys, this thing sounds like its SEALED, its tuned LOW to 27hz. It feels like it ported though... |
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Gold Member Username: B101Queen City, NC USA Post Number: 1213 Registered: Sep-05 | look how huge that thing is with that lil port..  |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Ct Post Number: 5087 Registered: Dec-04 | I would go sealed MO especially off the a600 being that it has no SS filter. |
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Gold Member Username: Suleman36Maryland U.S.A. Post Number: 3113 Registered: Feb-05 | Yeah your right. Keep forgetting that. I know you want to try the same setup as soon as cardomain finally get the ID MAX 12 in stock !!!!!!! |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Ct Post Number: 5091 Registered: Dec-04 | yup I would love to |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Ct Post Number: 5092 Registered: Dec-04 | yup I would love to |
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