AA is releasing info on the arsenal tonight on their site. it is suposed to be the closest to the avalanche. they are suposedly better though? suposed to play loud on the low end and be able to keep the SQ with the higher frequencies the ava could not. although it only has a 20.5mm xmax. i thought they woulda had atleast the same xmax if not more than the avalanche... i think they said the immediate price on the 12 is 160 and the 15 215 but they will go up... the havoc comes out in 2 months appx...