Archive through March 02, 2005
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Bronze Member Username: Sublime420Ca Us Post Number: 81 Registered: Jan-05 | im looking for a cheap wiring kit for one amp. i saw that walmart has some for cheap, and i was wondering if it matters that its from walmart? it would still work fine, wouldn't it? |
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Bronze Member Username: VaioPost Number: 33 Registered: Dec-04 | there wiring kits are ok. But me i will not buy them. i spend like $90 for all my wiring but its for 3 Amps it was a rockford fosgate CaBLE. But if the amp that you are going to run is not that powerful like over 800watts it will be ok. |
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Bronze Member Username: Sublime420Ca Us Post Number: 83 Registered: Jan-05 | and this is coming from someone named after a sony product. |
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P5 XPLOD your dome Unregistered guest | Hhhmmm why do people talk bad about sony products, damn I got some of their subs and 1 amp, not lying, hits harder the a pair of JL 12's. Product rating for sony subs P5's Sounddomain.com 4.5 outof 5 Circuitcity.com 4.6 outof 5 http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Sony-12-Subwoofer-XSL121P5-/sem/rpsm/oid/69333/rp em/ccd/productDetail.do |
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ukmg Unregistered guest | I got a 02 GMC truck and I have 3 sony p5's. I dont have a sony amp I have a different amp but these subs do bump, about 2 months ago I got pulled over because the cop says I was rattling his windows. |
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Bronze Member Username: Sublime420Ca Us Post Number: 84 Registered: Jan-05 | bull $hit. theres no way some sony subs will beat 2 JL's. obviously u have never heard a good system. cuz if you have, you'd know how $hitty ur subs are. |
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Bronze Member Username: Sublime420Ca Us Post Number: 85 Registered: Jan-05 | any sub you can get at ciruit $hitty is not worth buying. you'll soon realize that their stuff sucks, and you'll end up replacing it. |
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ukmg Unregistered guest | If I had a scanner, I would scan the report that cop and his hot parter gave me aight. Just because so many people say that this other product is better that does not mean you can get the same resault with another product. Look at the rating -Rate,don't Hate- |
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Anonymous | Fellas, Fellas-some people like Ford...some like GM...some like Walmart...some like Professional car audio dealers that rob you blind,call you stupid,and still tear your shiznit up b/c they say you got a sorry amp/sub/hu. Hey S420, just because you have never had good luck or service out of a sony product, that does not make you any smarter or your system any better. I told a guy today that in my opinion, Audiobahn and Power Acoustic suck eggs. He bought the stuff anyway. Who is to say if you ever have had any experience with sony(and it was bad),that maybe you didn't have something set just right? HUH? And if by some chance you do respond to this I don't really care what you say-Mr. Bronze Member. |
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Silver Member Username: InvainMichigan United States Post Number: 815 Registered: Aug-04 | Mr Bronze Member? Your not even fricken registered. lol. I'm not part of this arguemen't, (thought sony does suck), I just wanted to point that out. kinda funny. |
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Dub C Unregistered guest | JS,,wuss I'm with MG |
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Dub C Unregistered guest | Aight ladies, we can do this all night, you "ballas" and I do mean "" go ahead and buy your $400-$600 subs, and your egg sucking Audiobahn and Power Acoustic. I'll just buy something less then that with about the SAME sound and boom. I dont have sony subs but some of my friends do. [(-Belive it when you see it, btches-)] |
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Silver Member Username: InvainMichigan United States Post Number: 828 Registered: Aug-04 | How am I a wuss? I just stated my opinion. Yes I have heard Sony. Yes it was rediculous. Yes they are unbelievably mass produced low cost subwoofers. I guess if your dirt poor than their the subs for you. The point is I have also heard many good systems. How can you call Audiobahn an egg sucking company yet like Sony? I think their both pretty bad IMO. Go ahead and talk all the crap you want about the crappy sony systems you and your friends jam your brains out to in your school parking lot. I'm not gonna argue with you forever. If you wanna be dumb be dumb. |
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Dub C Unregistered guest | Hey, same here, my opinion. I just dont like BUSTERS talking without the experience, I didnt call those other subs egg sucking, that unregisted fool did just "" him. I dont really think sony is all that great. |
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Silver Member Username: InvainMichigan United States Post Number: 831 Registered: Aug-04 | Sorry, my bad, lol. |
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WC Unregistered guest | People shut the F*** UP! Sony is good, Audiobahn and Power Acoustic are good. Its all about JL Audio......................... |
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WC Unregistered guest | http://jlaudio.com/subwoofers/12w6v2.html You know!!! |
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Gold Member Username: CarguyPost Number: 1582 Registered: Nov-04 | If you love Sony, then you haven't heard the higher end products yet. Don't compare Sony/PA/Pyramid/Lanzar/Pyle to JL/Zapco/Orion/PPI/Xtant etc. It's not even a fair comparison. I agree some Sony amps/subs will make a booming bass. This however does not mean you're getting true sound. It's more of clipping or distorting bass. You won't know what I'm talking about unless you compare Sony against a great amp like Orion HCCA G4. I can guarantee you WILL hear a difference. This is why, once you hear quality, you won't/can't go back to cheap amps (Sony). |
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Bronze Member Username: Sublime420Ca Us Post Number: 87 Registered: Jan-05 | thats exactly what i was tryin to say. |
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Silver Member Username: Rob315Cuse, NY U.S. Post Number: 148 Registered: Jan-05 | where did all of the douchebags comefrom???? |
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Silver Member Username: InvainMichigan United States Post Number: 854 Registered: Aug-04 | Who knows Rob, who knows. |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Wilton, Ct Post Number: 1174 Registered: Dec-04 | yeah man jeese that was like a bombardment of Sony fan's. HAHAHAHAHA if they only knew. notice how all of them were unregistered. Its so funny to see them saying this stuff now then getting registered and in a month they will be posting on how much sony is garbage. lolol I get a kick out of it. |
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Bronze Member Username: NwdmaxPost Number: 23 Registered: Dec-04 | http://www.knukonceptz.com/ try this site good prices and I've heard the quality is good as well. |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Wilton, Ct Post Number: 1179 Registered: Dec-04 | yup they have good kits and good wire. |
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Silver Member Username: Rob315Cuse, NY U.S. Post Number: 162 Registered: Jan-05 | i picked up a couple directed audio kits and they look pretty descent. |
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eljefe Unregistered guest | So yeah walmart amp kits are alright? |
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Anonymous | I love Walmart and plan soon to make my next DURABRAND purchase there to add to my DURABRAND HOME THEATER |
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Silver Member Username: XxkmfdmxxSt. Petersburg, FL USA Post Number: 366 Registered: Oct-04 | The walmart kits are Schose arent they? There not bad amp kits. |
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Gold Member Username: CarguyPost Number: 1585 Registered: Nov-04 | The power wiring kids can be purchased any store. Don't let the brand name fool you. Wire is a wire, no matter how you package it. You could pay $100+ on RF's product, or you could pay $30 from Joe Blow's shop. They WILL perform the same. Wires are one product that you can almost shop with your eyes closed. |
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Silver Member Username: InvainMichigan United States Post Number: 859 Registered: Aug-04 | The only thing that could differ in quality would be ther rca's. Some of the really cheap kits have bad quality rca cables. You can tell how crappy they are by looking at the things. |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Wilton, Ct Post Number: 1203 Registered: Dec-04 | The things huh Joe! lol is that what you tell the women that " I aint cheap look at my thing?" lol! |
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Bronze Member Username: Sublime420Ca Us Post Number: 91 Registered: Jan-05 | well im only running like 100 watts rms to a sub in my moms car. so would an 10gauage amp kit from walmart work fine? |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Wilton, Ct Post Number: 1227 Registered: Dec-04 | yes |
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Bronze Member Username: Sublime420Ca Us Post Number: 92 Registered: Jan-05 | k, thanx. |
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Bronze Member Username: AaaavvPost Number: 36 Registered: Jan-05 | sorry, ut sony sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Bronze Member Username: AaaavvPost Number: 38 Registered: Jan-05 | sorry, but sony sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Silver Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana USA Post Number: 381 Registered: Mar-04 | The 4ga. wiring kits at wal-mart are just fine. I have used them to hook up quite a few of my buddies amps. I just dont recommend using the RCA's that come w/ this kits. |
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Gold Member Username: James1115Wilton, Ct Post Number: 1245 Registered: Dec-04 | yup just what Joe said. |
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Silver Member Username: HdubbFarmington, Nm Usa Post Number: 883 Registered: Nov-04 | i have the wiring kit from wally world. these motherf*ckers must be canadian, all that sh!t is popular in canada. sony eh? nice canadian tuxedo motherf*ckers. |
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Silver Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana USA Post Number: 382 Registered: Mar-04 | Yea...the RCA's a pretty much crap in wally world kits. i have a 4ga wally word kit in my truck right now, but i am using Memphis RCA's. |
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Unregistered guest | All this yapin and aint nobody got s*** halla back when you fu**** with autotek and solo baric 18 anybody who knows anything about systems knows how hard it is to push those ratle windows I knock them out and sony I started with 4 12 sony knockin off the block in a trick box with some boss riot 850s just gotta know wht you doin thats like sayin you got a car and cant drive it halla back at ya boy 1 |
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not a nice guy Unregistered guest | Perhaps you could use some of the english lessons that my hard working taxes paid for to write in a way that can be understood by human beings. Perhaps a little punctuation here and there so we can tell where one sentence (or thought) ends, and another begins. Then, perhaps, someone will respond to.. whatever it is you said up there. |
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Anonymous | if loud music is what you want, then sony will work fine. BUT, if you want loud, clear, distortion free music, run like hell from sony. i used to use some sony subs as a paper weight at work. the papers would still blow away. can't they do anything right? and what the hell did TX say?? |
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New member Username: TdbdrummerPost Number: 6 Registered: Feb-05 | Would my Volfenhag ZX-4712 DVX subs be better than the Sony XPLOD P5's? I haven't had them installed yet, but I tested them on my Kenwood KA-3500 Integrated Amp, and they have a very clear crisp sound! |
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New member Username: TdbdrummerPost Number: 7 Registered: Feb-05 | Oh, and as far as Circuit City goes, don't let their salesperson's ability to crank the subs fool you. They crank them very high! BUT, if you have a good trained ear you can clearly hear the distortion products. They don't expect the average person to hear this, but it's there. TRUST ME! Oh, and if you use words like impedance, parallel-series, different techniques of wiring, chances are you will just confuse the guy. |
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New member Username: TdbdrummerPost Number: 9 Registered: Feb-05 | I'm more of a home audio kind of person, but would like good sound wherever I go. Being only used to good quality home audio systems, picking out decent car audio eq has been more of a challenge considering not all home audio brands carry over. |
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Gold Member Username: CarguyPost Number: 1642 Registered: Nov-04 | TB, when you get a chance, listen to PPI's Art series amp or PC/PCX series, Orion, Xtant, Zapco/Arc Audio, US Amps. They will make your current sound even better. Kenwood is a decent amp, better than Sony, but if you want to go to the next level, try any one of those amps. To get great sounds, you not only need great speakers, but amps and HU as well. All it takes is one bad quality item in the link, (speaker/amp/HU), and it'll muddy up the sound. |
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New member Username: TdbdrummerPost Number: 10 Registered: Feb-05 | Er, those are sort of out of my price range. I need something to give me at least 500W(True) RMS a for 2 subs. I was looking for the range of $200-250. Only $300 if absolutely necessary! Although considering I saved from not paying any of Circuit City's jacked up prices, $300 might be ok. Any ideas? |
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Bronze Member Username: TdbdrummerPost Number: 11 Registered: Feb-05 | That's 500W(True) RMS to EACH sub not divided in two! |
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Bronze Member Username: VaioPost Number: 36 Registered: Dec-04 | Hey i have all sound SONY XPLOD stsyem it kick azz i have 4 12" 1200watts SUBs 4 1200watts AMPS I like sony i think that is best. My system sound loud and there is alot of bass. stop talking about bad sony its great... |
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Bronze Member Username: TdbdrummerPost Number: 13 Registered: Feb-05 | Ya know what's great XPLOD? YOUR MOM! J/k, I think some Sony is good, I have 4 Sony Bookshelf Speakers connected to my Kenwood KR-6600 receiver. This is home audio, but it goes to show that not all Sony is junk! It just depends if you know what you are looking for. The speakers I spoke of were good due to the Kevlar cone, polypropelene surround, as well as being 3-way. They also have a nice bass rolloff sound due to being sealed. XPLOD, are your subs sealed? Sealed sound much better, TRY IT! |
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Bronze Member Username: PerrydogFlint, Michigan USA Post Number: 68 Registered: Jan-05 | alright i wont lie i have heard some sony's hit real hard but the only thing is, i seen the guy 3 weeks later have to replace all his subs cuz sonys blow easy i would go with some jl's they sound good but im havin luck with kenwood right now, ill use them till they go shitty then ill explore other ways and for all of you that have sony always check your subs, iv seen their cones crack easy |
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Gold Member Username: CarguyPost Number: 1643 Registered: Nov-04 | TB, a good measure for purchasing quality amp is, $1 per 1w rms. No matter how you cut it, that is the average price. Take Zapco's 500w amp, it's over $500. Sony USED to make good quality products (10 - 15 years ago), but ever since they got greedy, ALL of their products are made overseas. When's the last time you found Sony item with Made in Japan sticker? Their amps and subs blow cause of poor design/quality. Subs won't blow unless you feed lot of distortion/clip. Most of the loud bass you hear from cheap subs/amps are just that, artificial noises. Best thing to test this theory is to get a clip meter. You will see that the loud bass you think you're hearing, is mostly made of distortion/clipping. The difference between great amps and Sony/Pyramid is their ability to reproduce quality sound without clipping. |
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Gold Member Username: InvainMichigan United States Post Number: 1052 Registered: Aug-04 | "iv seen their cones crack easy" "The speakers I spoke of were good due to the Kevlar cone, polypropelene surround, as well as being 3-way." "Hey i have all sound SONY XPLOD stsyem it kick azz i have 4 12" 1200watts SUBs 4 1200watts AMPS I like sony i think that is best" "All this yapin and aint nobody got s*** halla back when you fu**** with autotek and solo baric 18 anybody who knows anything about systems knows how hard it is to push those ratle windows I knock them out and sony I started with 4 12 sony knockin off the block in a trick box with some boss riot 850s just gotta know wht you doin thats like sayin you got a car and cant drive it halla back at ya boy 1" Does anybody know what the hell their talking about. All I can do is laugh reading these posts. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdbdrummerPost Number: 15 Registered: Feb-05 | Excuse me, I only said those certain specs about the Sony HOME AUDIO speakers, because those are good qualities to have in a speaker, I never said they are God's give to audio kind! They also have a flat(good) bass response, coupled with a flat(good)bass responsive receiver, you can achieve good sound from a fairly priced system, providing you can get your hands on a good Kenwood, Sherwood, Marantz, or Lafayette piece of 70's or 80's reiceiver or integrated amplifier. Obviously you didn't read my post closely enough to realize I was speaking of HOME AUDIO speakers not CAR AUDIO speakers. I have 4 perfectly good CAR AUDIO speakers, VOlfenhag 5X7's. I'm getting sick of clarifying HOME and CAR AUDIO, but do to your lack of reading I feel the need to compensate! If I wanted to really impress upon you great sound I would tell you to get a high quality Carver Power Amp, and wire 6 pairs of Advent AS2's to it in series-parallel. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it bub! |
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Anonymous | Am i the only one that picked up on the fact he bragged he's got a high quality amp with low quality subs hooked up to it? That's like buying a $500 pan to boil water for instant oatmeal. That ain't right. If your gonna do it right, stay right. Don't scrimp on the important things. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdbdrummerPost Number: 17 Registered: Feb-05 | Who has a high quality amp? If you are talking about me, I HAVEN'T EVER PURCHASED AN AMP! I actually left messages today to determine what kind of amp I want, I think its going to be either Audiobahn A1500HCT OR MTX Audio Thunder1501D. The MTX amp, although I was told by Circuit City they didn't make a good product, I think I may buy due to price factor. Really in my opinion the Audiobahn amps are a little too flashy or "Bling". Seriously, when you shop for audio gear, you're shopping for quality! It's not like shopping for a pair of tennis shoes. |
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Silver Member Username: XxkmfdmxxSt. Petersburg, FL USA Post Number: 399 Registered: Oct-04 | Screw Circuit city, wtf do they know. NOTHING! get the MTX 1501D. |
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beano___ Unregistered guest | Hunter warren said "i have the wiring kit from wally world. these motherf*ckers must be canadian, all that sh!t is popular in canada. sony eh? nice canadian tuxedo motherf*ckers." F*ck you even Canadians know sony sucks sh!t and I dont know anybody around here that buys that garbage. |
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Gold Member Username: CarguyPost Number: 1652 Registered: Nov-04 | Beano___, you're wrong. Just cause someone buys a wiring kit from Walmart, doesn't mean they're Canadian. Walmart sells the kit all over North America. In Canada, BestBuy, FutureShop (owned by BestBuy) sells the wiring kits for $140 - $200. It is one of the biggest rip offs, next to their car amps. RF's $350 amp is being sold for $899. I can't believe how those 2 companies can rob consumers like that and sleep at night. |
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New member Username: BonediggerTyler, TX USA Post Number: 7 Registered: Feb-05 | This is unbelievable. I have no idea what to think after reading these posts! I am interested because I just bought an amp wiring kit from Wally World to power my little MTX R202 which in comparison has VERY low wattage, so I figure I'm OK. Now I don't know. Are the RCAs THAT crappy in these Scosche (sp?) kits? If so, maybe I need to take them back before going through the hassle of wiring them to the amp. I have an MA in Ahtropology and have heard many, many different languages, but I still have no idea what some of these people are talking about! Todd |
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Silver Member Username: XxkmfdmxxSt. Petersburg, FL USA Post Number: 400 Registered: Oct-04 | The RCA's arent bad in the Schosche kits but their not the best either. The only thing I dont like in them is the distrubution block fuses, There extremely hard to find. |
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beano___ Unregistered guest | Issac,I was quoting warren hunter. |
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Gold Member Username: CarguyPost Number: 1653 Registered: Nov-04 | Oh okay. BoneDigger, wire is wire, no matter how much you pay. $200 wire is made the same way as $30 wire. The only difference is the packaging and name. This is why FutureShop and Bestbuy in Canada use RF's name to charge $200 for a stupid wire! Like xxmdfmkxx said, the RCA isn't that bad. It is after all shielded. Better than some of the $60 packages. If you're worried, then buy extra RCA cable that's shielded and directional. |
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Gold Member Username: Jonathan_fGA USA Post Number: 3387 Registered: May-04 | Wire is not just wire per se, there is a quality difference in wires. No, it doesn't really matter with power cable, but "brand a" wire might not carry the same amount of current as "brand b" wire even if it's the same size, due to a difference in strand count and copper purity. Copper varies in quality and is very expensive to have good copper. Of course, if you go all out with good wire, that good wire needs to be dedicated to the actual audio outputs, not powering an amplifier. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdbdrummerPost Number: 24 Registered: Feb-05 | I HAVE THE SOLUTION! I myself have a Scosche kit. Now, use everything in the kit except the RCA cables. Then buy a pack of high quality RCAs that are better for the car! Next take the other RCAs that are probably just as good lol and put in a nice home audio system! I personally run a Kenwood KA-3500, Kenwood Kr-6600, Kenwood Kr-2600, and a Sherwood receiver. Also, a little 80's Radio Shack receiver that gets its job done! All in all I get much better sound than I will ever get in a car or anyone else will get in a car today! You know why? Because vintage 70's and 80's home audio gear was made to last, and it put out HONEST power, not some trickery the companies of today use to reach a once in the audio gear's lifetime high peak power, that you yourself will never achieve without blowing SOMETHING up! Sure, after so many years transistors, resistors, and capacitors need replacing, BUT ITS WORTH IT! The sound is impeccable! But hey, that's just my opinion. |
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Gold Member Username: Jonathan_fGA USA Post Number: 3388 Registered: May-04 | I'd just get a kit from Knukonceptz. |
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Silver Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 585 Registered: Dec-04 | WOW i really wish i could have come in here sonner...Sorry guys...but SONY SUCKS complete A$$....haha...god i loved this convo....guys...ill put it this way...my friend has 4 12 inch p5's and yea...it hits HARD AS HELL...but...wanna know somen...my 1 single 15 inch eclipse TI(yay it came in today)..destroys all 4 of them..mine is in a sh*tty boxe as well..and is being powered by audiobahn amp...POS in my opinion....but also....to let all your guys know...Sony is also a company that does not have a rated power...if you go to Circuit City...cause thats prolly where all of your complete noobs go to get your crap...ask one of there managers what they think...if he knows anything..he will tell you..they have a high rate of being returned for blowing..and the cones break...he will also tell you it is not rated(as far as there amps go)..they put any number they want on there..i believe they have a 1200 watt peak amp...i believe the guy told me it is really around 500 watt peak...there crap is completely useless...in home audio is can be "decent" but thats stretching it...when your talking about a home audio system your talking about a good one anyways..you better get ready to get into the 10000 doller range...you wont get a good system with a 1000 dollers from sony...ask glass..hell tell you the same thing...sorry guys..but you guys were better off putting your parents old home speakers in your trunk...haha |
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Bronze Member Username: TdbdrummerPost Number: 27 Registered: Feb-05 | I think you are A LITTLE OFF with the 10000 dollar range. Like I said above, get a high rated Carver Power Amp (or something of the same ability and quality)and wire 6 pairs of Advent AS2's to in in parallel-series. If you are smart and go Ebaying, you can get the whole system for under 1000 bucks! Also, this will give you awesome bass! It takes an amp which can deliver honest dynamic powers of around 700 w/ch into 4 ohms and a two channel total of twenty-four 6" bass units would 30hz porting to do the job of giving you that low bass range that you may not be able to hear or feel, but when things in your house start moving YOU KNOW IT's THERE! YET AGAIN, I didn't say Sony was the best or even a good competition in home audio, just that "my play around" system delivers decent sound from them. If you really want some quality speakers though, BUILD YOUR OWN. That way YOU know what's in them, YOU know how they are designed, and YOU know what to expect from them! Enough said. |
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Silver Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 590 Registered: Dec-04 | haha...good point TB...lol...i dont know much about home audio..but i know that its very pricey..and honestly..if you want some true bass haha..go to jl's site and check out there new home audio speakers...talk about weak...haha...but im not saying you cant do it for under a 1000...im just saying that if your going to go get one of the best home audio systems out there..its def going to take some money..and there is no way around that...and alot of people i know get into the ten thousand doller range with it...but i know some people who have spend next to nothing with some good stuff as well...but also...do you know how to build your own stuff lol...that would be awesome???haha...but couldnt you just get a cheap dj amp and some subs and boxes with some tweeters in boxes and build your own home audio system..or are you talking abotu building the whole speaker itself...seems relaly complicated for me..im dumb enough as it is |
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Bronze Member Username: TdbdrummerPost Number: 29 Registered: Feb-05 | I mean building the speakers, and providing good quality amplifiers behind them. I don't have the knowledge to actually build each individual amplifier, although I do have books on the stuff. I also have a speaker building book too. A little old, but you can update some of the ways to do things to fit your style. |
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Silver Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 592 Registered: Dec-04 | reallly..where did u get one of those..i think it be fun to expieriment with somen like that |
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Bronze Member Username: TdbdrummerPost Number: 30 Registered: Feb-05 | My dad gave it to me. Back in the 80's he had a 10,000wpc stereo system. He built a lot of his speakers. Probably are still books out there, I've never looked though. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdbdrummerPost Number: 31 Registered: Feb-05 | This is similar to what I have, just updated with today's designs. http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=30009177&SearchEngine=Froogle&SearchTe rm=30009177&Type=PE&Category=Book&dcaid=17379 |
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Gold Member Username: CarguyPost Number: 1654 Registered: Nov-04 | Okay, then I said "wire is wire" I was talking in general. Yes there are wires with different strand count and copper purity, which does have some effect. However, when you compare similar type of wire from brand A (SAME STRAND COUNT and COPPER PURITY) that's $30 and another one from brand B $90, you won't see any difference at all. Even if there were, it will have no affect on performance that you can hear with your ears. With electronics, in theory, you might be able to prove a point mathematically, but that doesn't mean it will have much effect in reality. |
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Bronze Member Username: VaioPost Number: 38 Registered: Dec-04 | all this sh!t because sony 1000 dollars sh!t @@Joe Smoe@@ i can drive my Truck With my 4 12"s .. |
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Silver Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 630 Registered: Dec-04 | that sentence made no sense |
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Gold Member Username: InvainMichigan United States Post Number: 1081 Registered: Aug-04 | No it didn't. lol |
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Silver Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 643 Registered: Dec-04 | haha...i love his post...its awesome joe |
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Silver Member Username: HdubbFarmington, Nm Usa Post Number: 941 Registered: Nov-04 | damn this is an almost pointless thread. like isaac and jon said, if it is the same strand count and same material then it will perform the same. as for sony goes(car audio)......i dont know. we cant change thier minds they will. until something better is heard....ignorance is bliss. you beano..its nice to see that your not in the sony crowd, its just everytime i look at a car audio mag, based out of canada, all of the project cars, and show cars have sony pentagonal subs, so naturally i stereotyped sorry, but is there a lot of people there into it? |
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Bronze Member Username: TdbdrummerPost Number: 32 Registered: Feb-05 | Well if XPLOD could write, I guarantee he couldn't argue the fact that my Volfenhag ZX-4712 DVX's are better than his Sony XPLOD P5's! Enough Said. |
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Gold Member Username: InvainMichigan United States Post Number: 1088 Registered: Aug-04 | Good for you, your Volfenhag's are better than Sony's. Big accomplishment. |
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Gold Member Username: InvainMichigan United States Post Number: 1089 Registered: Aug-04 | So TB, how much did you pay for your ReD MoNsTeR's anways? I see that on ebay you can get those bad boys for like 60 bucks shipped. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdbdrummerPost Number: 33 Registered: Feb-05 | Did I sense a hint of SARCASM? I don't like sarcasm! MUAHAHAHAH! Face it, all car subs make the same hideous sound, BOOM. True bass is a clear, crips THUD. So in reality, sure, some subs are better, but there is always the downfall of the fact you are getting FALSE bass. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdbdrummerPost Number: 34 Registered: Feb-05 | CRIPS=CRISP! |
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Gold Member Username: InvainMichigan United States Post Number: 1094 Registered: Aug-04 | My god man. There is a very very very big difference in the bass produced from different subs. All car subs to not make the same hideous "BOOM" sound. Where the heck are you getting this stuff from? |
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Silver Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 648 Registered: Dec-04 | what are you talking about TB |
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Bronze Member Username: TdbdrummerPost Number: 37 Registered: Feb-05 | It's common knowledge! Car subs = False Bass(BOOM). Home subs/reg woofers = Thud(True Bass). |
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Silver Member Username: SubfanaticWalton, Ky Post Number: 649 Registered: Dec-04 | i disagree...sorry... |
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Bronze Member Username: TdbdrummerPost Number: 38 Registered: Feb-05 | Car subs/audio is nothing but a cheap loud thrill. There is no challenge in developing a car audio system. That's why I didnt spend uber amounts of cash on those "ReD MoNsTeRs". Do you realize that in a car environment you probably cant hear past 50Hz? Do you know why? Because your car is not vast enough in length of width to allow that kind of frequency to travel! Therefore, if you wish to attain excellent sound, the only true way to do so is through a home audio system. We can argue until the cows come home about your godly car system, but it will never compare to a well built/planned home audio system. Also, when you run subs, you are pushing 2,3, maybe 4 woofers correct? Well, to tell you the truth it's not good to push ANY drive no matter WHAT the size to a high excursion rate! It damages them. All-in-all, I'm not saying car audio is a waste of time totally, but I'm saying why go to all these extremes, and never attain an excellent sound, IT's IMPOSSIBLE IN A CAR! There's a good chance most of the people who talk on here don't have what's called a "trained ear". I myself don't have a trained ear. That's where you can pick out any little detail in an audio situation that may sound out of place. Another thing, tell me what's more impressive two oversized woofers in the back of your car or towers of speakers making ungodly great sound? |
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Bronze Member Username: TdbdrummerPost Number: 39 Registered: Feb-05 | You don't have to agree, but it's there. It's one of those things that you have to listen to side-by-side. If you were to hear, say a pair of Cerwin Vega E-715's next to your JL subs, I GUARANTEE the better quality of sound comes from the Vega's. (The Vega's are home audio speakers by the way) |
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Bronze Member Username: TdbdrummerPost Number: 40 Registered: Feb-05 | Anyways, as to not create an all out brawl, I am going to ask a simple question. Where the heck do car equalizers get installed, as well as remote bass controls? (Bet that threw you for a loop!) |
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Gold Member Username: CarguyPost Number: 1655 Registered: Nov-04 | You can install them anywhere there's space. The bass remote is usually installed near the dashboard for easy access. TB, if you want great sound quality in a car, start with great amp. My car personally sounds as good as home stereo, if not better. It can be done. The bass I get in my car is not what you call "boom" sound. It's very natural. I compare my sound with a live band. As of right now, it's very close. I get very clear mids and highs as well as tight bass. Unlike some cars that seem to produce bass not in the original song, mine will only put out what's on the music. You can get below 50hz with a good HU and by passing the cheap built in amp. Just so you know what's involved in getting high quality sound in a car, I have 11 speakers running with phase shifts. It is like a concert stage. Whether it's low or high volume, it produces very pleasing clear music. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdbdrummerPost Number: 42 Registered: Feb-05 | You can ACHIEVE below 50hz, BUT the catch is that the affect of it is not felt for almost 25-30ft. meaning that inside your car it can't be heard of felt. Stick your car in a 50ft. enclosed area, and leave a glass of water lying on the table, and there is a good chance you will get the below 50Hz affect. The water will show ripples, that shows the frequency of below 30Hz. Might I ask where you fit 11 speakers? 4 in the doors, 3 subs? That's 7. Do you have speakers in boxes as well? |
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Gold Member Username: InvainMichigan United States Post Number: 1131 Registered: Aug-04 | I don't think anybody in here doubts Isaac's setup. As for the frequency response, yes, you can feal and hear them below 50 hz, and very well I might add. Your are completely crazy if you think that frequency's below 50 hz are almost non-existant inside a car. What in the world would be the point? Why do you think people buy high quality subs with lots of linear excursion, and use them in ported boxes tuned low? Have you ever sat in a car with a good system playing anything below 30 hz? Do you actually know what it sounds like? |
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angry_dwarf Unregistered guest | the real question is " does he know anything?" |
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Bronze Member Username: Minime80Post Number: 12 Registered: Feb-05 | I think what TB is referring to is the fact that a 50HZ tone has a wavelength of 22.5 feet, although this does not mean that nothing happens until you get 22.5 feet away from the source since sound is a compression wave (not like waves in water) when the sub moves it increases or decreases the pressure of the air right next to it and then that pressurized air will exert pressure on the air next to it and then that air will do the same and so on and so forth, 50 times a second this area of pressurized air will travel 22.5 feet,... BUT it all starts at the sub itself, it doesn't just magically appear out of nowhere 22.5 feet away. It does however sound a lot better and is a lot easier to hear when you're that far away for 2 reasons... (1) Lower frequencies expend less energy to travel and so they travel farther whereas higher frequencies use a lot of energy to move just a short distance so they fade quickly and are basically filtered out when you're farther away and the bass stands out more. (2) In the car the higher frequencies waves are much more prevalent and are actually interfering (when a wave peak connects with a wave trough they cancel each other out) a little with the waves of the lower frequencies which degrades the quality. PHEW... that's my physics lesson for the day! |
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Bronze Member Username: TdbdrummerPost Number: 43 Registered: Feb-05 | Well, I never meant to imply it didn't start at the sub itself, just trying to say what Nick said without thw whole physics lesson. Although, the human ear is not designed to hear below 20Hz, and that's a GOOD ear. That IS a fact, and you SHOULDN'T argue that or you're a fool. |
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angry_dwarf Unregistered guest | I think your the fool. you appear to have a "my friend says" education on car audio. What do you actually "know"? Because everything i've seen you type up leads me to believe not much. other that what you've read in magazines or heard from a friend that know a guys who hangs out around an install shop. And you can fit 11 speakers in your car. it's called "customization". I know it's a big word, but copy and past it into www.dictionary.com for more help as to it's meaning and how to say it. |
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Bronze Member Username: Minime80Post Number: 14 Registered: Feb-05 | Yes, 20Hz is about the limit for human hearing, but that's why it's so much FUN! ;) http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/gavreaus.htm |
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