Pulp..abby..tapeman I ask this one for u
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Silver Member Username: PsychmonsterRhodium MemberAint nuthin ... Post Number: 500 Registered: Jul-06 | how could a fix incorporate 2 different Mecm40 and Mecm60 encryption streams that is now being sent by providers...this is a new tactic, and will be tough to break into one bin?...it seems as though they are now ok with relagating 1/2 the channels now, the coders will now have to combine both into one code...very tough...expect this to be the status quo for now...a partial victory for providers |
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Silver Member Username: PsychmonsterRhodium MemberAint nuthin ... Post Number: 502 Registered: Jul-06 | bump |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 2103 Registered: Oct-06 | psychmonster I don't think so Based on what I see back and forth I would think coders are not far away from compiling the 2 streams This is not what's gonna give coders hard time In my opinion it is what's coming next This can't be what's Nagra, DN and BEV totally relying on I like yo psychmonster I also find analog signals that disables blindscan on selective receivers I vision first hand the presense of Nagra-3 Only time will tell |
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Silver Member Username: PsychmonsterRhodium MemberAint nuthin ... Post Number: 503 Registered: Jul-06 | thanks...thats all I wanted from u...now lets let the rest of the puppet gallery chime in |
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Silver Member Username: PsychmonsterRhodium MemberAint nuthin ... Post Number: 504 Registered: Jul-06 | although this combination of streams may be a death sentence for the conversions? |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 2104 Registered: Oct-06 | psychmonster For the record I don't mean to take credits But this is true I think I was one of the earliest to find the 2 streams When I first wrote about it Not one person believed me THIS IS WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THIS SITE Everything is timed and dated Check this thread And check the date Compare to anyone evere wrote about the two streams https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-video/341734.html Also I do see some indications for the arrivals of Nagra-3 Again only time will tell |
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Silver Member Username: PsychmonsterRhodium MemberAint nuthin ... Post Number: 505 Registered: Jul-06 | interesting....I remember reading this last year...back to what I stated though, it seems as though the providers are now content with status quo for time being...my guess is that the next move is now up to the coders, we may have odd and even blackouts now until next phase which could be nagra 3 or possibly the encrpt codes that Direct Tv uses that has not been hacked yet? |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 2105 Registered: Oct-06 | If they use DTV encryption system is just as going to N-3 I wrote about DTV Videoguard Believe me guys N-2 is much harder than Videoguard I expect N-3 to be the toughest Hard is not always impossible Easy is not always breakable What's saving DTV's Azz is they don't use MPEG-2 They use a non-industry standard called QPSK FTA receivers can receive all MPEG-2 encoding signals QPSK and MPEG-2 are not compatible at all Can't be converted without additional hardware What makes hackers go after targets is the over all value of the target and the least conventional way to do it LIKE FTA RECEIVERS if selective receivers and the price is not feesable they move on a much easier targets They went after Nagra-1 for the HVT high value target Meaning yo can get American, Canadian and International all in one inexpensive receiver Back then Videoguard and Nagra were at same level of difficulty. I do know videoguard did upgrade to stay current and to charge DTV more money but believe me I can break Videoguard in less than 30 days if I was in the hacking business I expect Nagra-3 to be the last resort for DN and BEV as it cost them nearly $40 to $60 Million US Dollars. I also expect some kind of dynamic switchable roll over. What they will finally do is going to be on how they will adapt to their final situation Many people here say encryption is a leak I say leak or not it had to be back engineered And DTV is not as hard as many people think It all depends on who works on it from hack team I expect the next HVT to be Digi-Cypher for Hits and Starchoice DTV HD took an old trick approach knowing what they up against they made their new HD satellites higher frequencies to 19GHz returning unused LNB antenna's as contract ends and not selling conventional LNB's Dave is smart |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 2106 Registered: Oct-06 | I forgot to mention New HD standards MPEG-4 as 8PSK MPEG-2 is fine as long as it is at least 720p Minimum satandards for HD Dave making Modulated frequency 19G Hz puts more difficulty on Receiver Manufacturers. A conventional pressure of more incompatible receivers Meaning it will cost a lot more money to make both LNBs and FTA receiver Patent those LNBs Dave ends up as the only user of such a high frequency I would love to kick his Azz but this is not my fight So I would give him credit for playing well Great job Dave KING |
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Bronze Member Username: Perycles2005Post Number: 58 Registered: Mar-05 | Use caution talking about it in "Public" there are ears everywhere...and not neccesary mine...I wish I can learn and help...if some one can direct me I am willing to learn...I was screwed once by Dave so I will too love to kick it |
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Silver Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 987 Registered: Nov-07 | Mecm40 and Mecm60 Not that big deal right now... Look at all the boxes up right now, they handle it just find. all 0101 channels using mecm40 all 0106 channels using mecm60 which is uisng the recenlty introduce dynamic code routines where the timing of the time it take execute a map function is used to generate the Control Words for Video. You can think of it like hold a stop watch counting to 100 and stoping the watch then using how many seconds it took to count to 100 as the base number for any math equation. But with map calls you be talking milliseconds. There last attempt prior to the current map3e return Which was using the Map57 was damn close to a knock down punch if it wasn't for no1 working out a dirty fix using a brute force attack boxes would have been down much longer then they were. Contrary to what the mouth pieces for Viewsat are saying to keep boxes sales high there is never going to be full emulation. No one is even close to have a full understanding of rom102. It looks like all the hype about having a full dump of map57 was nothing but more viewsat bullcrap or they would have been the first on the block with a fix and you wouldn't have had the channel change delay. There is so much politic's and other crap behind all this it could gag-a-maggot. Many times fixes are achived hours after a ecm but due to politic's they are not released for days after. Way to much greed in this hobby and each day it gets closer and closer to that of DAVE where some watch others don't. |
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Silver Member Username: PsychmonsterRhodium MemberAint nuthin ... Post Number: 509 Registered: Jul-06 | Pulp...Tapeman makes valid points and his post of 03/2007 backs him up...any thoughts now about his credentials now or are u still in a bashing mode about LK and cannot respond to this in a respectable manner...still want to hear your side |
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Silver Member Username: PsychmonsterRhodium MemberAint nuthin ... Post Number: 510 Registered: Jul-06 | Pulp...we posted at the same time...thanx for your input |
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Silver Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 990 Registered: Nov-07 | I ain't going there... I so sick of the tinfoil hat mans crap it not funny... If I was u and wanted to know what was going on in this hobby I would seek out and join all the linux based boxes and Dvbcard fourms I could find.. Thats where u will find coders and such sharing in the open.. that is the true hobby side of all this.. Some of them have worked in the industry for years and have access to equipment and tools that tinfoil hat man has never heard of. |
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Silver Member Username: PsychmonsterRhodium MemberAint nuthin ... Post Number: 520 Registered: Jul-06 | bumping this for the noobs to learn something |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 2110 Registered: Oct-06 | Hey Pulp I was only kidding with yo Don't forget yo came out bashing hard at me first Yes I do love this hobby this is why I'm here But I can't get into the graphic hacking for personal reasons Nothing personal There are sites that are totally under ground yo won't get access to And secondary sites that yo may exchange some encoding and programming many are monitored and others slightly under covered I have no exchange at those sites at all honesty Check this one: I don't praise the site but may have what yo looking for I got some major beefy stuff coming Stay tuned |
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New member Username: StekmoboPost Number: 7 Registered: Jan-08 | Good thread, interesting read, and nice change to see king and pulp talking a little more reasonable instead of getting the clubs out and bashing each other, just think what the pair could get done by working with each other as a team. |
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Silver Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 992 Registered: Nov-07 | Hey Pulp I was only kidding with yo Don't forget yo came out bashing hard at me first Yes I do love this hobby this is why I'm here U mistaken think it phases me one way or another. There are sites that are totally under ground yo won't get access to Can't say I'm part of all.. I'm on few good DVDcard-linux ones. I been on that fourm since 2005 unlike uself I have been involved in this hobby for a while.since the days of terms like DC 018 black boxes wizard codes U have a lot of work to catch up on b4 I will even start sweating. Personally I've started to sway with the majority on here thinking u have alternative motives and are a echostar mole. The whole running like a rat-fink on the other thread shows what type of chararter u have... Once a Rat always a Rat. Then it's odd though how the person u seek to defend is one of the biggest scum in the hobby and uses many different names which I hope ur just not privy to and ignorance is ur defense. little google action can be a awakening. or a vist to sat scams will suffice. well then again maybe u do and have join forces with the scum. |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 2116 Registered: Oct-06 | I was never a rat I don't work for anyone I was only joking dude FYI Ryerson is a comic won't step out of charcter He is also busting your chops as a joke too The more yo piss him off the more he'll get back at yo with jokes Lighten up and have fun |
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New member Username: 360guyOttawa, Ont Canada Post Number: 8 Registered: Dec-07 | A very informative thread from both of you,Pulp and Tape. Thank you but please would it be possible for you two to not address one another? For our sakes as well as your own? Just start a thread exclusively for bashing each other, I can think of a few others who are likely to join you. Don't ruin a great site/thread. Once again I sincerely thank you for your info, it's much appreciated |
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New member Username: 360guyOttawa, Ont Canada Post Number: 9 Registered: Dec-07 | Thanks Psych for your input as well |
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Gold Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 1016 Registered: Nov-07 | Dave making Modulated frequency 19G Hz puts more difficulty on Receiver Manufacturers. A conventional pressure of more incompatible receivers Meaning it will cost a lot more money to make both LNBs and FTA receiver Patent those LNBs Dave ends up as the only user of such a high frequency Hey Tinman... I in a bubble bursting mood... You way off on this.... It's not hard to obtain a Ka lnb dave is not the first or only one using the Ka signal for service. |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 2147 Registered: Oct-06 | Well Then buy me a couple I can use for my tests Dude Not only LNB has to convert 19 to 20GHz signal Receiver has to have an internal clock frequency of 18 to 19Ghz Conventional coax cable wires won't even work higher than 2.6Ghz so it has to be down converted prior reaching cables with the help of receiver internal clock therefore must build FTA receivers with extra hardware module for at least another $300 on top of receiver and good luck find a developing company works on special schemes The only way around it is to hack receiver itself Is like add barb wires to your fence There is nothing unbreakable but it adds more security challenge to find these LNBs as conventional parts Unconventional parts keep hackers away I don't expect yo to understand what I say But if there is someone out there with hands on high freq will understand me perfectly Dave is just one step ahead that's all Can't hack his SD cuz of QPSK is non MPEG-2 standard Can't hack his HD cuz of High frequency non-standard Hackers might eventually break his SD with the new 8-psk module if they havn't already reached a fix |
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Gold Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 1017 Registered: Nov-07 | Knock urself out 66 items found for: Ka lnb http://search.ebay.com/Ka-lnb_W0QQfromZR41 |
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Gold Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 1018 Registered: Nov-07 | PCI QPSK and DVB S and DVB S2 Modulator Cards http://www.computermodules.com/broadcast/DVB-S-S2-QPSK-PCI-Modulators.shtml |
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Gold Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 1019 Registered: Nov-07 | C&P The new project is going well, and now has a name: 'DSS-to-DVB'. It's now listed on the DSSCR web site, but there isn't much information there yet. Basically, it's a plugin that replaces an incoming DSS transport stream with a DVB stream. The "master program guide" (MPG) used by DSS providers must be converted to MPEG-2 and DVB tables, and the audio/video streams must be re-packetized in the MPEG-2 TS format. The following features are already working: - The PAT, PMT, SDT, EIT, NIT, and TDT are generated from the MPG (currently only for the first DSS satellite you tune into until you restart TSReader). Works for DIRECTV USA and DIRECTV Latin America. - PAT, PMT, SDT, EIT, and NIT entries are made for channels not in the MPG. This allows hidden/unlisted channels to show up on 101W, local channels to show up without loading their MPG data (useful on 72.5W since it doesn't carry the MPG), and in general allows channels on transponders without an MPG to show up (including the international channels on 95W). - Audio-only channels (including music) are converted to MPEG-2 transport streams and play back in VLC like normal DVB channels. - Plugin can be disabled to easily switch between the original and converted stream. NOTES: The applications and plugins on this page are meant to demonstrate that it is possible to listen to and view programming from DSS providers such as DIRECTV by using TSReader, VLC Media Player, |
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Gold Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 1020 Registered: Nov-07 | POP  |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 2149 Registered: Oct-06 | There is always people strip their dish and sell on e-bay for extra cash But find me a dealer sells it as conventional LNBs like standard circular And if yo do What are yo gonna do with it without a hacked receiver? There are some under ground group use traps to get ordered PPV without link to their active account I havn't searched this yet maybe yo should |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 2150 Registered: Oct-06 | Post 1019 is very helpful It confirms exactly what I wrote about hardware Keep in mind this is to convert QPSK to MPEG Great job Yo ain't useless after all  |
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Gold Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 1027 Registered: Nov-07 | Not only LNB has to convert 19 to 20GHz signal Receiver has to have an internal clock frequency of 18 to 19Ghz I shall end the day with one MORE POP Obviously U have no idea how a LNB even works GO seach google for LOW NOISE BLOCK after u read a little u shall see how they work and any receiver that works with c-band and ku band can handle KA band because they all are convert in to L band into the cable going to the receiver....... |
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Gold Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 1028 Registered: Nov-07 | oh one last word... both VEB and DN on the move new shitt in stream... tomorrow is wed's  and looks like they going to play... |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 2158 Registered: Oct-06 | Very impressive Azz Hole Why would I google it if I'm the one who wrote it? https://www.ecoustics.com/cgi-bin/bbs/show.pl?tpc=2&post=978098#POST978098 |
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Silver Member Username: PsychmonsterRhodium MemberAint nuthin ... Post Number: 565 Registered: Jul-06 | Doreen Gold Member Username: Doreenakadj ontario canada Post Number: 1024 Registered: Dec-06 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 12:09 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- just so you all know i wrote the posts that Pulp Fiction and the Coder posted here. If anyone of you are going to talk about it, talk to me .. |
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Gold Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 1029 Registered: Nov-07 | Very impressive Azz Hole Why would I google it if I'm the one who wrote it? WROTE- ROFLMAO If u had in fact wrote which u claim, u wouldn't have wrote the following contradicting statements below. Maybe next when u paraphrase in that of a plagirising manner u should actually read it, before u copy and paste it. Not only LNB has to convert 19 to 20GHz signal Receiver has to have an internal clock frequency of 18 to 19Ghz DTV HD took an old trick approach knowing what they up against they made their new HD satellites higher frequencies to 19GHz returning unused LNB antenna's as contract ends and not selling conventional LNB's Dave making Modulated frequency 19G Hz puts more difficulty on Receiver Manufacturers. A conventional pressure of more incompatible receivers Meaning it will cost a lot more money to make both LNBs and FTA receiver Patent those LNBs Dave ends up as the only user of such a high frequency I shall admit at one time, I did think u actually had some understanding and valuable information to share. Thank god u have Great Gift. being of which, is the ability to share what u don't know when ur trying to say what u think u do know....... I might be mistaken...but none the less I think this places u into being classified as having one or many Psychotic Disorders.... or maybe it's early onset Alzheimer's Pop  |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 2171 Registered: Oct-06 | What I'm going to do here is to expose you're your ignorance Attention all noobs yo are about to learn from Pulp Fiction your new noob leader Dude - When yo scan a Ku band on FTA receiver yo must select a dial freq or LNB freq or in many receivers they have preset like standard, normal, universal ... etc. - When yo work with C band same way yo select matching LNB frequency i.e. Your Receiver is a tuner as a matter of fact many PVR receiver got dual tuners ... yeh some PVRs with single, no problem. So C is something like 3.7 to 4.2 GHz Ku in N.A. 11.7 to 12.75 GHz Similar to AM and FM 880kHz yo can say it's AM and 95.5MHz is FM Yes they make receivers with both AM/FM Hint look for a button marked AM/FM Now that yo understand this part I want yo to go to your satellite receiver Go to Antenna Installation and please find me highest LNB frequency Come back and tell me how much Come on I'm still waiting How much is the highest LNB dial freq Say 18G or 19G what the hick I'll give yo a hint sometimes there is LNB high and LNB low Either one, come back with freq value or range I'm still waiting Yo know what If yo have an HD receiver maybe it's on there It's only 18G or 19G Hz yo can't miss it SO WHAT IS THE FREQUENCY DUDE What's the matter can't find it? Do yo know why yo can't find it? It looks to me like yo are using your stove to change channels Now ask any noob here Is it any important to select LNB frequency for installation? I guarantee 100% of all noobs will tell yo yes Yo didn't know degauss = erase or erase = degauss I can live with that Yo use a verb I use advanced terminology sh!t happens Yo know something For every noob I'll help I'll use this post as reference for how severe your ignorance can be Yo are a hopless ignorant I'm done with you |
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Silver Member Username: PsychmonsterRhodium MemberAint nuthin ... Post Number: 588 Registered: Jul-06 | pop crackle fizz |
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Silver Member Username: WakenbakePost Number: 363 Registered: Mar-06 | King Tapeman Post Number: 2105 What's saving DTV's Azz is they don't use MPEG-2 They use a non-industry standard called QPSK FTA receivers can receive all MPEG-2 encoding signals QPSK and MPEG-2 are not compatible at all. What??? |
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Gold Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 1035 Registered: Nov-07 | Yo didn't know degauss = erase or erase = degauss I can live with that Yo use a verb I use advanced terminology sh!t happens Yo know something For every noob I'll help I'll use this post as reference for how severe your ignorance can be Yo are a hopless ignorant Like I said before U alone refer to erasing a eeprom eprom as degaussing. It's not a term used by anyone else. It's ridiculously stupid, the term is used and has always been used in reference to a magnetic field. I challenged you before and it's still a open challenge... Find me one technical journal where a reference is made stating u deguass a eprom or eeprom to erase it Far as receving ka fta boxes share the same tuners as DVBCARDS... There are many sites on the net where u can go and read about wildblue hijacking. Wildblue the internet service uses KA band. With a normal DVBCARD u can receive the KA just like u can with a fta box and a KA-LNB by changing the LNB local-Freq In your case: "Simply put, DeGauss is the aluminum foil inside your hat used to keep the bad voices out." POP |
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Gold Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 1038 Registered: Nov-07 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degaussing Degaussing: Degaussing is the process of decreasing or eliminating an unwanted magnetic field. It is named after Carl Friedrich Gauss, an early researcher in the field of magnetism. Due to magnetic hysteresis it is generally not possible to reduce a magnetic field completely to zero, so degaussing typically induces a very small "known" field referred to as bias. The term was first used by (then) Cmdr. Charles F. Goodeve, RCNVR, during World War II while trying to counter the German magnetic mines that were playing havoc with the British fleet. The mines detected the increase in magnetic field when the steel in a ship concentrated the Earth's magnetic field over it. Goodeve developed a number of systems to induce a small "N-pole up" field into the ship to offset this effect, meaning that the net field was the same as background. Since the Germans used the gauss as the unit of the strength of the magnetic field in their mines' triggers (this was not yet a standard measure), Goodeve referred to the various processes to counter the mines as degaussing. The term became a common word. The original method of degaussing was to install electromagnetic coils into the ships, known simply as coiling. In addition to being able to continually bias the ship, coiling also allowed the bias field to be reversed in the southern hemisphere, where the mines were set to detect "S-pole down" fields. British ships, notably cruisers and battleships, were well protected by about 1943. Installing such special equipment was, however, far too expensive and difficult to service all ships that would need it, so the navy developed an alternative called wiping (devised by Goodeve), which simply dragged a large electrical cable along the side of the ship with about 2000 amps flowing through it. This induced the proper field into the ship in the form of a slight bias. It was originally thought that the pounding of the sea and the ship's engines would slowly randomize this field, but in testing this was found not to be a real problem. A more serious problem was later realized: as a ship travels through the Earth's magnetic field it will slowly pick up that field, counteracting the effects of the degaussing. From then on captains were instructed to change direction as often as possible to avoid this problem. Nevertheless the bias did wear off eventually, and ships had to be degaussed on a schedule. Smaller ships continued to use wiping through the war. Controlpanel of the MES-device ("Magnetischer Eigenschutz" German: magnetic self-protection) in a German submarine After the war the capabilities of the magnetic fuses were greatly improved, by detecting not the field itself, but changes in it. This meant a degaussed ship with a magnetic "hot spot" would still set off the mine. Additionally, the precise orientation of the field was also measured, something a simple bias field could not remove, at least for all points on the ship. A series of ever-increasingly complex coils were introduced to offset these effects, with modern systems including no fewer than three separate sets of coils to reduce the field in all axes. http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/d/degauss.htm What is degauss? To remove magnetism from a device. The term is usually used in reference to color monitors and other display devices that use a Cathode Ray Tube (CRT). These devices aim electrons onto the display screen by creating magnetic fields inside the CRT. External magnetic forces -- such as the earth's natural magnetism or a magnet placed close to the monitor -- can magnetize the shadow mask, causing distorted images and colors. To remove this external magnetic forces, most monitors automatically degauss the CRT whenever you turn on the monitor. In addition, many monitors have a manual degauss button that performs a more thorough degaussing of the CRT. You can also use an external degausser that degausses the monitor from the outside. Since it may be impossible to remove the external magnetic force, degaussing works by re-aligning the magnetic fields inside the CRT to compensate for the external magnetism. You can also degauss magnetic media, such as disks, which removes all data from the media. sid183_gci213666%2C00.html,http://searchcio-midmarket.techtarget.com/sDefinition /0,,sid183_gci213666,00.html degauss - To degauss (pronounced dee-GOWS) is to demagnetize. Degaussing a computer display removes any undesirable magnetic field that may have built up within the display, causing distortion of the image or color. Display monitors with cathode ray tube (CRT) technology are subject to the buildup of magnetic fields. Many display manufacturers include an internal coil that will degauss the display when it is turned on. Some displays also include an external control that a user can operate to degauss the display at any time. Degaussing a magnetic storage medium removes all the data stored on it. A degausser is a device used for this purpose. http://www.worldstart.com/tips/tips.php/1369 Tip #1369 - Degauss Q: My monitor has a "Degauss" button and when I press it my screen gets zapped for a second. Is that what it's supposed to do? A: By pressing that button you scare the bad magnetism out of your monitor. OK, let's get more technical. Cathode Ray Tube (CRT) monitors aim electrons onto the display screen by creating magnetic fields inside. Outside magnetic forces--for instance, the Earth's magnetic field--can cause distorted images or colors. Degaussing realigns the magnetic fields inside the CRT to make up for the magnetism outside. The term is derived from Johann Gauss, a mathematician who studied electro-magnetic fields. Another interesting fact: since the Earth's magnetic fields in the Northern and Southern hemisphere are different, manufacturers make different monitors depending on where you live. If you take your northern monitor down south you may get image and color distortion. Many manufacturers include an internal coil that will degauss when you turn the monitor on. If you have a flat screen monitor (LCD) there's no need to degauss since it does not work with magnetic fields. |
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Gold Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 1040 Registered: Nov-07 | Don't change the subject Did yo find the frequency on your FTA receiver? U just type it in u dumb AZZ create a new tp list add KA freq if you have a KA lnb u can scan. |
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Gold Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 1041 Registered: Nov-07 | KA HISTORY- C&P This series of posts is meant to detail DIRECTV's long history with the Ka band, describe the various DIRECTV Ka satellites, compare Ka with Ku, and then provide some links into where to find more information from the FCC and FAA. Ka Timeline Summary DIRECTV, perhaps with others, proposed to the FCC in 1993 the usage of Ka band frequencies for direct to home usage. With the launches of S1, D8, S2, and D9s, 12 years later, we are enjoying the results of many years of waiting for FCC approval, satellite design and equipment design, and satellite launch. With two more Ka only satellites to be launched soon, D10 and D11, we will have many HD nationwide channels which will also reach into Alaska and Hawaii. Some of the major milestones along this journey: Dec. 1993: Hughes requests Launch and Operate Authority (LOA) for Ka satellite operations at 99° and 101° (and others) as a part of the Hughes Network Spaceway system. I've been able to only find minimal information on these requests online: FCC LOA application file Sept. 1995: PanAmSat makes similar requests for Ka BSS and FSS at 67° as call sign S2191. FSS license is transferred to 103° and to HNS (both were subsidiaries of Hughes Electronics at the time) in March 2003 and then withdrew BSS 67° in January 2004. FCC LOA application file May 1997: FCC awards licenses for Ka to 13 companies. Award summary Echostar Grant Hughes Grant June 2000: Based on feedback and usage information worldwide, the FCC modifies and standardizes the Ka band frequency usage for satellite operators. FCC Word document or FCC text file (Set the downlink frequencies to 18.3-18.8GHz and 19.7-20.2GHz) Dec. 2001: Echostar and DIRECTV merger attempt. Declined by FCC in October 2002. March 2003: PanAmSat transferred license for 103° to Hughes Network Systems: FCC File March 2004: Hughes Electronics renamed DIRECTV Group. End of May 2004: WSJ and other news agencies indicate that Hughes cancels the Hughes Network, broadband from space. DIRECTV releases a press statement that the Spaceway satellites will continue to be used for video and broadband: Press Announcment June, 2004: Modification request to D8 to replace D2 and merge an existing Ka license into one hybrid satellite: FCC File Application details(pdf) Sept. 2004: DIRECTV announces plans for HD via S1/S2 and D10/D11. Also, the HR10-250 is launched: Press Announcement January 2005: At CES, DIRECTV demonstrates MPEG4 compressed HD via satellite: Press Announcement. Thanks to Alan Gordon for pointing this out. April 2005: Spaceway 1 Launched May 2005: D8 Launched June 2005: D8 becomes the first operational DIRECTV Ka satellite; operating at 101°, just before the license grant milestone would have expired. (I can't believe FCC wouldn't have extended the milestone had the launch been delayed. Every previous milestone had been clearly met and DIRECTV obviously had the satellite ready to go.) D8 uses Ka frequencies for uplink of HD locals to regional and national broadcast centers. Nov. 2005: Mod to D9s to have Ka added: FCC Modfication request record Nov. 2005: Hughes Network Systems sold to SkyTerra, completed January 2006. Ultimately Spaceway 3 went to SkyTerra. Nov. 2005: Spaceway 2 Launched Oct. 2006: D9s Launched 2007: D10 and D11 to be launched [Disclaimers] All these posts contain data from public records as noted and linked. Most are from the FCC, but also the companies' press releases or websites. All commentary is mine. No representation as to information from DIRECTV, Boeing, Space Systems/Loral, or any other named corporate entity is implied unless directly noted. At the time of writing, I work for none of the companies listed in these postings, nor have any impending relationship of such nature. D8 configurations D8 and D9s started as two satellites each. A replacement for an existing DBS satellite (D1 or D2) and as a separate Ka band license. They were merged into hybrid satellites by the addition (or changeout) of Ka transponders onto the already under construction Space Systems/Loral 1300 satellites. Their Ka role is solely for backhauling HD locals to the national broadcast centers in Colorado and Los Angeles. Given how different they are in configuration, they have been given their own postings. D8 Stats Location:101.75° Callsigns: S2632 (D2 replacement) and S2132 (Ka) Launch: May 22, 2005 International Launch Services Start of operations: June 23, 2005 (two days before deadline in the FCC conditions of authorization for the Ka license.) D8 Ka Configuration FCC MOD request file Application details (see pages 9-22 for configuration) Specialized wideband spotbeams: eight 250mhz wide uplinks and four 500mhz wide down. Uplinks from 4 regional broadcast facilities: Seattle, WA Castle Rock, CO Atlanta, GA, New York, NY Downlinks to two broadcast centers: Kansas City, MO Los Angeles, CA Each downlink is an 85W TWTA. D8 DBS Configuration FCC Replacement (RPL) request file Application details (see pages 7-15) D8's transponders are purely nationwide, including Alaska and Hawaii. 16 nationwide odd numbered transponders, 12.2-12.7ghz. D8 also has 6 nationwide even numbered transponders should it be moved to either the 110° or 119° slots as a replacement satellite. All transponders are dual 113W DLCTs per channel giving a total 226W. D9s is a hybrid, hybrid configuration satellite. Not only does it have spotbeam and nationwide, including Alaska and Hawaii DBS transponders, it also has Ka wideband spotbeam capabilties. D9s is built upon a Space Systems/Loral 1300 bus. D9s Stats Location: 101.10° Callsigns: S2669(D1 replacement), S2679 (failed for paperwork reasons), S2689 (Ka) Launch: October 13, 2006 Arianespace Start of operations: December 18, 2006 D9s Ka Configuration FCC LOA request record Application details (see pages 5- 11) Two 500mhz wideband transponders Uplink regional broadcast facilities: Boise, ID Las Angeles, CA Downlink to two broadcast centers (for re-uplinking to 99° and 103°) Tucson, AZ (Typically the Left Hand Circular Polarized uplinks.) Minneapolis, MN (Typically RHCP) Each transponder has one 85W TWTA. D9s DBS Configuration FCC Replacement (RPL) request file Application details (see pages A-7 thru A-13) 32 DBS channels for uplink 16 DBS even numbered channels as 10 (or up to 12 even and 1 odd) nationwide transponders and 42 spotbeam transponders down (had been 44 before Ka were installed) 52 total Ku transponders, 12.2-12.7ghz, replaces DIRECTV 1, redundancy for D4s 8PSK modulation Each nationwide transponder is a triple combined 150W DLCTs Spaceway 1 and 2 (S1/S2) were originally purchased by Hughes Network Systems to provide advanced broadband internet services to the home and business. The Boeing 702 bus-based satellites were unique, having on-board internet routing capabilities, sending traffic from one uplink to the appropriate downlink without having to first downlink the data to a land-based network facility. The satellites were meant to be deployed in a whole constellation of similar satellites, linked to each other in a mesh arrangement. A whole Internet network in space, further reducing the need for land-based facilities. Alas the network as designed was too expensive to the end consumer as compared to the prices of DSL and cable. The two satellites are also very unique in that they do not use traditional transponders to downlink data. Instead S1, S2, (and their brother S3) each use a 1,500 element phased array to generate their downlinks as needed. The phased array is capable of creating spotbeams as small as .5° or as large as full nationwide coverage. Other unique advanced features included highly variable beam strength that automatically adjust to compensate for weather conditions in various parts of the country. In 2004, DIRECTV repurposed S1 and S2 for a couple reasons: 1) to better support video in addition to the broadband, 2) (my guess) to fully utilize the Ka licensed bandwidth before losing their licenses for failure to meet critical milestones. S1/S2 repurpose announcement: September 8, 2004 Press Announcement In 2001 FCC modification requests (MOD) were filed updating the original S1/S2 licenses. The MODs were based upon the new Boeing 702 satellite bus and the phased array for downlink spotbeams. In 2004 those MODs where withdrawn and re-filed to reflect the repurposing. Based on differences between those MOD filings, here is my best estimate summary of those changes: Addition of downlinks in the Ka B-band 18.3-18.8GHz frequency range (as two 165mhz downlinks within the 500mhz bandwidth for backhauling purposes.) Addition of a potter horn for the transmission of the new B-band backhauling signals. A whole section describing non-processor mode operation where the satellite's A-band (the phased array) retransmits what goes up straight back down its downlinks. A traditional "bent-pipe" mode of operation (tho still with a very non-traditional phased array). In this mode, there are 8 "channels" 65mhz wide up and down. Does this mean the receivers are now looking at 62.5mhz wide channels for MPEG4 locals? S1/S2 Stats S1 location: 102.80 (was originally proposed to be 103.05) S2 location: 99.20 (was originally proposed to be 99.05) S1 Launch: April 26, 2005, SeaLaunch Press Announcement S1 start of operations: October 20, 2005 (Boeing turned over October 10, 2005) S2 Launch: November 16, 2005 Press Announcement S2 start of operations: April 14, 2006 Phased Array The phased array is so flexible that current operating characteristics are not discernible from the FCC request filings. While many sample configurations are presented, they do not seem to actually describe the current operations. Known details: 1500 elements Operates in the Ka A-band 19.7-20.2GHz downlink frequency range Can theoretically do at least one nationwide beam Or up to 112 spotbeams B-band potter horn Operates in the Ka B-band 18.3-18.8GHz downlink frequency range 15W TWTA 4 Transponders? Transponder bandwidth 165mhz FCC and other links 2001 First MOD filed to change from Boeing 601 to 702 bus, utilize phase array, for locations 99° and 101°. Withdrawn June 2004 FCC MOD record Application (see pages 5-9, pdf) S1 2004 Mod (Approved): FCC MOD record S1 2004 Mod details: Application (see pages 9-19, pdf) (Be ready for a headache.) S1 mod for location: FCC MOD record S1 mod location grant (with application): FCC grant (pdf) S2 Mod for location: FCC MOD record S2 location grant (with application): FCC grant (pdf) D10 and D11 (with ground spare, D12) are the latest DIRECTV Ka satellites. Serving both nationwide (which includes Alaska and Hawaii) and 49 spotbeam locations each, these Ka only satellites are built upon the Boeing 702 Bus. Ka licensing configuration Downlink in the Ka B-band 18.3-18.8GHz frequency range 40mhz channel spacing (36mhz usable.) 14 Nationwide transponders 10 spotbeam transponder frequencies 49 total spotbeams. Satellite payload configuration National/Alaska 28 active TWTAs [2 per transponder] 8 spare TWTAs National/Hawaii 4 active TWTAs 4 spare TWTAs Spot 55 Active TWTAs 15 Spare TWTAs Reflectors 4 spotbeam transmit reflectors 2 Nationwide transmit reflectors 36mhz usable per channel (roughly 7x a UHF/VHF band channel) Dual amplifier TWTAs 130w each, 260W combined Spot single amplifier TWTA 70W each Contractual launch vehicle requirements From the contract: Quote:[Boeing] will ensure that the Satellites will be technically compatible for Launch on each of the following potential launch vehicles: Sea Launch (6100), Arianespace 5 ECA, Atlas 5 (521) and/or ProtonM/BreezeM Long Fairing Phase 1 (the "Candidate Launch Vehicles"). Contractor shall not take any action during the construction of the Satellites that would preclude Launch by any of the Candidate Launch Vehicles. Boeing Factsheet FCC links D10 FCC LOA request record D10 details (see pages 7-14) D10 grant D11 FCC LOA request record D11 Appliation details D10 and D11 milestone documents includes the contract with Boeing for D10/D11/D12 (redacted in the FCC public database) BSS Frequency Range Usage The next big thing is reusing the current DBS uplink frequencies in a downlink mode. Right now a very usable frequency range for downlinks to the home are only used as the standard uplink frequencies for the original DBS downlinks. Directv, along with others have determined that using this frequency range for downlinks will further increase the bandwidth available for satellite operators. The FCC has several requests before it, and the ITU has announced that April 1, 2007 (hmmm, interesting date), those frequencies will be made available for use in the US. But as of this writing, the FCC has not awarded any license nor published a plan for licensing like they did for Ka in 1997 and modified in 2001. (At least I haven't found one yet.) The downlink frequency range would likely be 17.3-17.7GHz in the US and 17.3-17.8GHz to Latin America (including Mexico.) Sample DIRECTV application for BSS-99: http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/servlet/i...nt_key=-115964 Questions arise should this come to pass: What changes will be needed to the current ODU? Will the new frequency range fit on the current coax or will SWM be required? New receivers too? D13, Callsign S2693 While not Ka-band, it is part of the immediate DIRECTV future. Requests have been filed and approved with the FCC for replacing D5 at the 110° orbital slot with a new satellite, D13. The milestone requirements for D13 include: Contract to build: by November 16, 2007 Build completion: by November 16, 2010 Launch and operation: by November 16, 2012. While DIRECTV is licensed for only 3 DBS channels at that location, to allow flexibility and redundancy across their satellite fleet, D13 will be built to handle all 16 even DBS channels. (Ku band) I'm sure we'll see a press release this year announcing the contract award. Commentary Thank goodness, DIRECTV has very good lawyers and engineers putting their FCC requests together. They are very well arranged and consistent in form. That made them so very much easier to read than other companies' requests... I'm constantly amazed at how much forethought has gone into this by DIRECTV. Just based on the FCC filings alone, this has been a 14 year process so far! And still more to come. There are also notes and comments that DIRECTV has been one of the major leaders getting the FCC to endorse the usage of the Ka bandwidth. And I'm sure looking forward to more HD because of their efforts. C, Ku, Ka Unlike C band transponders, Ku and Ka do not have standardized transponder frequencies (although, DBS usage of Ku has been standardized by the FCC and ITU). Outside of the dbs satellites, to use a Ku transponder, an engineer needs to verify (and double check) the specific frequencies for that particular satellite. Ka is even more flexible. D8 and D9s were always surprising to me in that they only had a very few Ka transponders. What I did not realize is that each transponder's signal is 250mhz wide. While not very useful for dbs purposes, they are quite useful for backhauling OTA signals around the country ultimately for uplink to the spotbeams from the satellites at 99° or 103°. Ka satellite locations can operate with 2 degrees of separation, narrower than the 4 degree necessary for Ku. Typical Ka dbs licenses allow two 500 mhz ranges of downlinking: 19.7-20.2 GHz (A-band) and 18.3-18.8GHz (B-band) as well as three more of uplinking. Ku licenses allow one 500 mhz range each. Directv standard Ku transponders, numbered 1-32, are 29mhz wide with 24mhz usable. For D10 and D11, Ka transponders are numbered 1-24, and are 40mhz wide with 36mhz usable. S1 and S2 can be operated as eight transponders 62.5mhz wide. Ku transponders alternate polarity and are offset in frequency much like two courses of bricks. Ka transponders also alternate polarity, but operate on the exact same frequency for adjacent even and odd transponders. Because of the smaller guard frequenies between transponder channels and the overlapping structure of Ka vs. the offset used by Ku, Ka gives about 10% more usable bandwidth. Ku usable bandwidth from 500mhz available is 384mhz. Ka usable bandwidth from 500mhz available is 432mhz. Satellite transponder technologies TWTA -- Traveling Wave Tube Amplifier DLCT -- Direct radiating Linearized Channel amplified TWT FCC satellite request form types LOA -- FCC request form for Launch and Operate Authority for operating a satellite RPL -- RCC request form to replace an existing satellite MOD -- FCC request form to modify a previous request AMD -- FCC request form to amend a previous request T/C-FCC request form to Transfer Control of a satellite to a new corporate entity Good FCC sites All these links are to the FCC's International Bureau Filing System (IBFS): Advanced IBFS search form for Satellite Space Station records. FCC IBFS Orders (actions, grants, dismissals, etc.) FCC IBFS welcome page (access to public notices) IBFS Queue report |
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Gold Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 1042 Registered: Nov-07 | I posted that to show u history of KA u ranting earlier saying it NEW and DirectTV only one using it.... It's been around for years it's a standarded but less used band... U still don't understand how a LNB works and how it coverts the signal and sends down to the receiver. The recever sends signal to lnb to tune in on a Specific HIGH FREQUENCY which in return converts the signal and passes it along to the receiver tuner in a range the tuner can handle. your just to stupid to understand anything above watching FreeTV... your a wannabeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Silver Member Username: KingsatmanNYC, NY Post Number: 182 Registered: Nov-07 | Have yo ever heard of the one legged man Entering an azz kicking contest This one legged dude is yo Quit while yo still have the other leg |
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Gold Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 1045 Registered: Nov-07 | This one leg azzwipe Yo didn't know degauss = erase or erase = degauss I can live with that Yo use a verb I use advanced terminology sh!t happens Yo know something For every noob I'll help I'll use this post as reference for how severe your ignorance can be Yo are a hopless ignorant Like I said before U alone refer to erasing a eeprom eprom as degaussing. It's not a term used by anyone else. It's ridiculously stupid, the term is used and has always been used in reference to a magnetic field. I challenged you before and it's still a open challenge... Find me one technical journal where a reference is made stating u deguass a eprom or eeprom to erase it PROVE IT u spew and spew but never prove nothing... cuz it all ramblings of a delusional whack-o called u on 2 streams never proved cuz u can't U can flash a bin and watch TV thats all u can do. Worthless freetv'er |
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Silver Member Username: KingsatmanNYC, NY Post Number: 185 Registered: Nov-07 | I make my own terminology I only used that terminology over 5000 times During my 25 years of electronics experience BTW FYI Ka tuner receivers got internal clock frequency LNB convertion of bandwidth is another issue Go google it...this seems to be the only thing yo know how to do I'm not gonna give yo another free lecture on fields and waves |
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Gold Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 1051 Registered: Nov-07 | Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 12:27 pm: by newphew? ooops NO KING I make my own terminology BING0 You make up crap as u go cause u have no technical background or understanding... THANX that said it all... |
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Silver Member Username: KingsatmanNYC, NY Post Number: 187 Registered: Nov-07 | Why would I delete it Yo are the one who doesn't know receivers are tuners |
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Gold Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 1053 Registered: Nov-07 | After the C or KU band frequencies are amplified by the LNA, they need to be processed. The processing is done in the satellite receiver which is usually located 10 meters to 50 meters away from the dish antenna. Microwave signals in the S, C or KU Band would suffer very high attenuation if they were carried via coaxial cable from the LNA to the Satellite Receiver 50 meters away. To overcome this problem, the microwave signals are converted to a block of frequencies from 950 MHz to 2150 MHz. Hence, incoming signals received by the LNA at 2 GHz, 4 GHz and even 12 GHz are even block converted down to 950 MHz to 2150 MHz. This range of frequencies is referred to as Intermediate Frequencies since their range of temporary or intermediate frequencies in the chain of satellite reception which receives microwave signals and finally yields video and audio signals from the satellite receiver. This function is carried out by a "Block Converter" located within the LNB. A combination of Low Noise amplifier + Block converter is referred to as an LNB. The Block Converter uses the Hetrodyne principle for conversion of a block of S, C or KU Band frequencies to the IF or Intermediate Frequencies. The Hetrodyne principle mixes an external fixed frequency with the incoming frequency. The output from the mixer is a series of signals at the sum and difference of the two inputs to the mixer. Outputs are also produced at multiples of these frequencies. A simple filter is used to suppress all frequency components except those required. The Local Oscillator (LO) is a section of the LNB and gets its name since it is present locally or within the LNB. The local oscillator produces a fixed output at a pre-determined frequency. The Local Oscillator (LO) frequencies have been standardised by LNB manufacturers worldwide for S, C, Ku and even Ka band frequencies. The LO frequencies have been selected to yield an output in the IF (950 MHz to 2150 MHz) range, for all types of LNBs. As a result, universal satellite receivers can be designed for reception of C and KU Band signals through the same satellite receiver The output frequency is directly related to the local oscillator frequency. Hence it is very important to have an extremely stable (fixed) local oscillator frequency. To ensure this, most LNBs utilise a crystal oscillator for the LO. This ensures that the LO frequency does not change either with the Input voltage to the LNB or due to temperature changes that the LNB is exposed to. Keep in mind that the LNB is mounted outdoors and is often subjected to sub-zero temperatures with high wind velocities or high ambient temperatures when directly exposed to sunlight in tropical climates such as India. SAMPLE CALCULATION To further illustrate the relevance of a Local Oscillator frequency, let us consider the case of typical C Band reception. The C Band LNB is designed to receive satellite broadcast from 3,800 MHz to 4,200 MHz. The LO within the LNB is standardised at 5150 MHz. Hence when receiving a broadcast at 3,800 MHz, the output frequency of interest is 5150 - 3800 = 1350 MHz Similarly, when receiving a broadcast at 4,200 MHz, the output frequency of interest is 5150 - 4200 = 950 MHz We see that both these output signals viz. at 1350 MHz and 950 MHz lie in the standard IF frequency band that satellite receivers accept. For extended C Band reception, the LO frequency is increased to 5950 MHz so that the output continues to fall within the IF range. In the case of KU Band LNBs, the local oscillator frequency is actually less than the KU band signal. However the LO frequency is chosen so that the difference always lies in the IF frequency range for satellite receivers. |
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Gold Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 1057 Registered: Nov-07 | POP POP POP here azzhat maybe this shall put it the most layman terms for u... A Pansat 2700 (or any other modern satellite receiver, for that matter) could care less what band you are receiving. The LNB or LNBF does all the dirty work of "block down converting" the satellite signal to L-band (950-1450MHz, or 950-2150MHz in some cases). If it is a DVB-s signal, the receiver will be happy with it. So just like a KU or C lnb converts down so do the KA lnbs...SO ANY FTA BOX CAN USE A KA LNB |
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Gold Member Username: DoreenakadjOntario Canada Post Number: 1063 Registered: Dec-06 | psychmonster Silver Member Username: Psychmonster Rhodium Member aint nuthin higher Post Number: 565 Registered: Jul-06 Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 05:21 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Doreen Gold Member Username: Doreenakadj ontario canada Post Number: 1024 Registered: Dec-06 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 12:09 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- just so you all know i wrote the posts that Pulp Fiction and the Coder posted here. If anyone of you are going to talk about it, talk to me .. WTF does that have to do with this thread and WHY post it in here ? |
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Silver Member Username: KingsatmanNYC, NY Post Number: 191 Registered: Nov-07 | Hello McCfly "pulp fiction" FTA Receivers got C-band Ku-Band Pansat 2700 got 19G Hz dial tone??? The One legged man is insisting on the Kick Azz Contest |
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Gold Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 1060 Registered: Nov-07 | GOD U DUMBEST MOFO I HAVE EVER SEEN WHAT PART DON'T "YO" understand The LNB or LNBF does all the dirty work of "block down converting" the satellite signal to L-band (950-1450MHz, or 950-2150MHz in some cases). If it is a DVB-s signal, the receiver will be happy with it. The reciver never see 19GHZ just like it doesn't see 12GHZ on the Ku side the LNB DOES HIGH FREQ HOLY GOOD GOD u just to damn LAME |
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Gold Member Username: DoreenakadjOntario Canada Post Number: 1064 Registered: Dec-06 | psychmonster I really believe you are LK NOW stop it already with that BUMP Sh!t... only LK used that. I am calling you out psychmonster Rhodium Member aint nuthin higher. Do you have to be #1 the highest post at ecoustics Are you or are you not LK ... 2 can play this game. |
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Silver Member Username: KingsatmanNYC, NY Post Number: 192 Registered: Nov-07 | For all the Newbies out there Yo need to do Antenna Setup to scan any satellite Specifying Internal clock frequency on your receiver tuner i.e. LNB frquency must tune to correct freq Please tell this dude it can't be done on a Pansat 2700 Check for yourself Can yo tune an FM frequency on an AM radio? For god sake pulp fiction stop |
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Gold Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 1061 Registered: Nov-07 | OMG U SO STUPID... U still don't understand how a LNB works... the receiver tunes the LNB HIGH FREG the lnb then converts the signal into the STB TUNER RANGE OF IF (950 MHz to 2150 MHz) WHAT PART DON'T U UNDERSTAND loooooooooooooooooser The Local Oscillator (LO) is a section of the LNB and gets its name since it is present locally or within the LNB. The local oscillator produces a fixed output at a pre-determined frequency. The Local Oscillator (LO) frequencies have been standardised by LNB manufacturers worldwide for S, C, Ku and even Ka band frequencies. The LO frequencies have been selected to yield an output in the IF (950 MHz to 2150 MHz) range, for all types of LNBs. As a result, universal satellite receivers can be designed for reception of C and KU Band signals through the same satellite receiver |
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Bronze Member Username: Team_blacklistHEADQUATERSPIRATE Post Number: 31 Registered: Dec-07 | BORINGBORINGBORINGBORINGBORINGBORING BORINGBORINGBORINGBORINGBORINGBORINGBORINGBORING YOU TWO NEED TO GET MARRIED LMAO |
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Silver Member Username: One_eye_jackPost Number: 222 Registered: Nov-07 | Hey Pulp put the stick on your shoulder and dare chocolate milkshake to knock it OFF |
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Silver Member Username: KingsatmanNYC, NY Post Number: 197 Registered: Nov-07 | Now like yo Yukon |
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Bronze Member Username: TexmanPost Number: 54 Registered: Dec-07 | Great work Pulp ... i dont know how many times in the past 2 weeks you have put King AZZ Head to SHAME...Its not even close.. The only comeback he has is pics and the Q.ueer Head Maple Leaf with his MSpaint...I havent read one thread where MAPLe Di.CK talks about FTA INFO.. KING AZZ hat what are you trying to prove on this site? NOT to load FACTORY BIN file...LMAO greatest info i read with your post.. why dont you do yourself a favour and start over with a DIFFERENT NIC .. you have lost all CREDABILITY on this site.. What a waste of time you are.. Again what are you trying to prove on this site??? NEWBIES STAY AWAY FROM THIS DICKHEAD & MOLE... |
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Bronze Member Username: TexmanPost Number: 55 Registered: Dec-07 | What took you so long MAPLE DICK HEAD.. Time for you to take out your CRAYONS & pLAY.. Its Romper Room Time.. Maybe you can take out your PADDLE bOAT and play with KING AZZ STREAM..LMAO... ROW ROW YOUR BOAT GENTLY DOWN THE STREAM... oh yeah its on FM RADIO tune too---> WKAZZ} |
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Bronze Member Username: TexmanPost Number: 56 Registered: Dec-07 | GO PLAY WITH YOUR CRAYONS... YOU HAVE NO USEFUL INFORMATION FOR THIS SITE... WASTE OF TIME... |
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Gold Member Username: Pulp_fictionPost Number: 1066 Registered: Nov-07 | Have a Nice Weekend TINFOIL HAT MAN REALITY IS B!TCH ur entire existence PATHETIC |
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Silver Member Username: North_of_ontarioPost Number: 455 Registered: Sep-07 | BTW......TEXMAN, YOU SLUTTIE B!TCH..... WHILE YOU'RE AT IT.... YOU CAN LICK HIS AZZ TOO !!......... . |
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Bronze Member Username: TexmanPost Number: 57 Registered: Dec-07 | NOT EVEN CLOSE... DONT FORGET TO GREASE YOUR PADDLE'S MAPLE DICKHEAD... LMAO... P.S IF YOU DONT HAVE FM RADIO..GO TO WALMART SPORTING GOODS SECTION.. ASK FOR SOME ROPE.. LOL AND EXTRA SET OF CRAYONS TO PLAY WITH.. PUT BULL'S EYE TARGET ON KING AZZ... AND OPEN UP THE STREAM.. BUT BE CAREFUL THEIR MIGHT BE TWO THAT COME OUT AT A TIME... HAPPY PADDLING |
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Silver Member Username: North_of_ontarioPost Number: 456 Registered: Sep-07 | WOW........IS THAT YOUR BEST SHOT ?!!.... WHAT A PATHETIC DIRTY LITTLE FAGG0T YOU ARE !!........ . |
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Bronze Member Username: TexmanPost Number: 58 Registered: Dec-07 | ROFL MR. CRAYON NEW NIC FOR YOU... W.O.T.. |
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Silver Member Username: KingsatmanNYC, NY Post Number: 208 Registered: Nov-07 | Pulp fiction Yo R an A$$ Hole I'm gonna ban yo once I finish mucking yo Try copy and paste that Yo may get my message clearer |
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Bronze Member Username: TexmanPost Number: 59 Registered: Dec-07 | Mr.CRAYON MAPLE DICKHEAD CaN Yo Say ---> RomPeR RooM AZZHead Dont GeT Angry .. InStead Buy some Crayons fm radio and some Rope.. and dont forget the CANOE ...Wait i forget something you will need FACTORY Instructions... LMAO |
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Bronze Member Username: TexmanPost Number: 60 Registered: Dec-07 | Not Only RU boring and W.O.T.. you have nothing USEFUL TO OFFER THIS sITE... TRY---> ROMPERROOM.COM ..U NEED TO FIND NEW PICS TO COLOUR IN... MaPle DickHead.. |
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Bronze Member Username: TexmanPost Number: 61 Registered: Dec-07 | LIKE I SAID W.O.T... CHECK AZZHAT BULLSEYE TARGET WHILE YOUR PADDLING YOU CAN FIND SOME PUBIC HAIRS THERE... I THINK AZZHAT LIKES RED COLOUR.. WAIT I THINK THE STREAM MIGHT BE BLUE..OH HECK BRING ALL YOUR CRAYONS, INCASE HE DECIDES HE FINDS ANOTHER STREAM THAT IS BETTER FOR PADDLING... LMAO |
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Silver Member Username: KingsatmanNYC, NY Post Number: 210 Registered: Nov-07 | Let's see how good is your c/p |
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Bronze Member Username: TexmanPost Number: 62 Registered: Dec-07 | LMAO ... GOOD 1 Yukon...I needed a good laugh.. Im still trying to figure out what he is trying to prove on this site(KINGduck)...Discourge people from using FTA recievers..like thats going to happen in the next 2 thousnad years like prostitution.. these MOLES or whatever you want to call them (delusional people) dont get it... there are thousands of law abiding citzens that have countless of pirated files.. |
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Silver Member Username: KingsatmanNYC, NY Post Number: 213 Registered: Nov-07 | It's called freedom of speech I'm always neutral I advise people against HD receivers I open discussions for people to talk Yeh I admit I get bored sometimes so I like to play Big deal sue me |
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Bronze Member Username: TexmanPost Number: 64 Registered: Dec-07 | your post speak for itself... lets see in 3 weeks how many people have u helped.. fta tester helped more people out in 3 minutes than you did in 3 years... that speaks volumes.. your post have been nothing but negative against FTA.. except maybe for some scare taticts... } NOTHING USEFUL IN YOUR POST ....BUT W.O.T. add something intelligent or useful for people .. you ramble on about what u know..and say u dont hack reciever..that is so full of SH.IAT.. NE WAYS TRY A DIFFERENT APPROACH... THIS ONE S.UCKS BIG TIME... AND TELL MR.CRAYON TO FIND NEW PICS... ---> ROMPERROOM.COM} |
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Bronze Member Username: TexmanPost Number: 66 Registered: Dec-07 | OH NO...NOT MR MAPLE DICKHEAD AGAIN... DID YOU JUST COME BACK FROM WALMART..HOW MUCH DID YOU PAY FOR YOUR NEW CRAYONS??? DID U GET THE ROPE AND RADIO.. BTW....IF THE ROPE TRICK DOSENT WORK...TRY THE GUN TRICK AND SHOOT YOURSELF... AND DONT WORRY ABOUT CRAYONS..ILL PUT THEM IN YOUR CASKET.. ILL MAKE SURE TO SEND YOU FM RADIO AND WITH YOUR FAVORITE SONG... ROW ROW YOUR BOAT.. |
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Bronze Member Username: TexmanPost Number: 67 Registered: Dec-07 | Can We Say ROmper RooM... Come on Azz Join in "Row Row Row your Boat Gently DoWn ThE Stream MeRRly MeRRly MeRRLY Life Is About a DReaM" LMAO.. SOUNDS BETTER IF YOU LISTEN WITH ANALOG TURNTABLE |
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Silver Member Username: North_of_ontarioPost Number: 463 Registered: Sep-07 | BTW........ NOT AT WALMART...... I WAS BUSY BANGIN' YOUR SLUTTIE MOMMA ...... SHE ALSO SQUEALED LIKE A PIG..... THE DIRTY WHORE............ . |
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Bronze Member Username: TexmanPost Number: 69 Registered: Dec-07 | MR.CRAYON MAPLE DICKHEAD.. I WONDERED HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE FOR YOU TO SHOW YOUR INTELLIGENCE AND YOUR AGE.. PRETTY SAD AND PATHETIC WHEN YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO BANGING JOKES..BUT IT LEAST IT SHOWS YOUR MATURITY.. I THINK YOU BETTER STICK TO YOUR CRAYONS.LMAO. BETTER YET GO PLAY ON RoMPeRooM.com .... AND LIKE I SAID FROM THE BEGING YOUR A W.O.T AND HAVE NOTHING USEFUL FOR THIS SITE... NOW GO AND RUN AND PLAY WITH YOUR CRAYONS.. IF YOU NEED A PARTNER CALL UP AZZ HAT YOU CAN COLOUR THE FACTORY BY THE STREAM... DONT FORGET YOUR RADIO.. CHANNEL --->WKAZZ |
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Bronze Member Username: TexmanPost Number: 71 Registered: Dec-07 | MaPlE DiCkHeaD I just noticed north of Ontario..explains everything... wannabe's ,hicks, inbreds, and sorry AZZ drinkers.. lmao.. talk about being POOR and having no LIFE.. not much to do up north except DRINKING and BANGING YOUR COUSIN...LMAO... DEPRESSION CITY... 2 KINDS OF WOMEN LIVE UP IN NORTHERN ONTARIO... Hockey PLAYERS & H.ookers.. BTW I can tell you where to find the walmart up in NORTHERN ONTARIO... its close to the LIQOUR STORE.. |
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Silver Member Username: North_of_ontarioPost Number: 464 Registered: Sep-07 | LOL.....IT REALLY HURTS YOU TO SEE YOUR MOMMA GETTIN' RAMMED REAL HARD IN THE AZZ...... AND AFTER SHE SUCKED DRY MY DICK, SHE SCREAMED FOR MORE! MORE! MORE !! AND YOU'RE A LITTLE FAGGET AND SUCH A COWARD PUSSIE THAT CAN'T DO NOTHING ABOUT IT...HUH?! YOU GOT NO BALLS....YOU'RE JUST A WEAK POOR PIECE OF A MAN...... JUST PLAIN AND SIMPLY PATHETIC...... . |
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Silver Member Username: Way2smartHttp://desifta.co.nr/ Post Number: 554 Registered: Oct-06 | ooooooooo hahaha u guys are 2 funny post some photos lol hahahahahahah |
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Silver Member Username: Way2smartHttp://desifta.co.nr/ Post Number: 555 Registered: Oct-06 | hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha thats the stuff lol |
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Bronze Member Username: TexmanPost Number: 72 Registered: Dec-07 | MAPLE D.ICKHEAD.. INBREAD W.O.T PENCIL CRAYON PUSHING PADDLE BOAT USELESS NORTHEN SCUMBUCKET POVERTY STRICKEN LOOSER IN SOME NO DAMN GOOD WASTELAND FULL OF DRUNKS AND SNIFFEN GLUE AZZHATS.. LMAO GO PLAY WITH YOUR CRAYONS PENCIL DICK ..USE THEM ON MR.USELESS .. FIND THE WALMART AND GO BUY YOURSELF A GUN.. MAGGIT.. OR HIT A DEER IN THAT DEPRESSED WASTELAND YO CALL A TOWN.. DO ALL THE INBREEDS LOOK LIKE YOU.. BUT HEY WHEN YOU DRINK EVEN YOUR COUSIN LOOKS GOOD..LMAO |
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Silver Member Username: RazzorwyrePost Number: 165 Registered: Dec-07 | So does is there only like 3 or 4 people who use this forum and have 5 or 6 names. Why does one have to post behind multiple names other than to have ppl defend them when in fact its them defending themselves...sad! |
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