Archive through August 30, 2004
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Silver Member Username: RysportfanPost Number: 103 Registered: Jul-04 | hey look I just noticed Im a silver member now yah.....lol |
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Bronze Member Username: DeafPost Number: 36 Registered: Aug-04 | Rich he was over at the nfl site once about 2 or 3 days ago.....goodnight |
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Silver Member Username: ElgringoviegoPost Number: 211 Registered: Jun-04 | Haven't heard a thing. I knew you were supposed to be going there, but I didn't know for how long so I just assumed you had gone and returned. I hope you understood my last post. The person that you're going to be banning/erasing won't be Finish 24, although I see that a couple of his posts have already been erased from this thread, or PW or PW-Impersonator, but the guy using the computer that's impersonating some or all of them, and unless James Millard can explain how his post has shown up on all nine threads within minutes of each other...well, he's got his work cut out for him. Ken |
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Silver Member Username: RysportfanPost Number: 104 Registered: Jul-04 | it does seem fishy I hope its not a scam that he has set up. I just dont think he would do it but you never know. I chat with him alot on aol. I could check in and see if its the same IP address, Ill see if the man will check if Finish24's IP is the same as another poster. Rich |
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Bronze Member Username: DeafPost Number: 37 Registered: Aug-04 | sh!t I was supposed to of gone to bed....ken check ur pm ...night |
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finish 24 tis just in,IS A SCAM, this is WETHEPEOPLE someone took my post away!what going on** kenny!** Unregistered guest | finish 24 tis just in,IS A SCAM!!! YOU WILL NEVER SEE ANY THING FOR YOUR MONEY!!!any thing he has will never work.DONT LOSE YOU MONEY! finish24 you are finished from this site!!!! every one knows you suck, and is a bad scamer! MY GRANDMOTHER LIES BETTER THEN YOU!!! GO AWAY SUUCCKKER. |
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Silver Member Username: ElgringoviegoPost Number: 220 Registered: Jun-04 | I just posted my "explanation" on all nine threads. All nine threads were DTV threads. The others were left alone. James Millard is a Dish-man, fta-man. He's also a "friend" of mine, and I hope he still is. I can't see how he's going to explain his registered name at all nine posts, though, fitting in between the other posts at all nine threads: The other posts were C/P'd, his weren't. Sorry, but that's the way it goes. Play with fire, get burned. Ken |
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Bronze Member Username: DeafPost Number: 38 Registered: Aug-04 | Ken i no your flamming but did you read what i said |
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Bronze Member Username: WantedmanPost Number: 40 Registered: May-04 | my card is still going, and my friend works on a river boat he left out monday for 30 days, but he gave me a cd with his cloneing program, but i can't open it. so who ever out there thinks he can open this i'll be glad to mail it to them monday,as long as they post it when they open it.remember he is a cracker and i have no clue what program he used, so good luck. hmmm thats the same thing he said to me when he dropped it off on his way to memphis lol |
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Silver Member Username: ElgringoviegoPost Number: 221 Registered: Jun-04 | Finish 24, tis just in...-- Maybe you can tell me. All of Finish 24, etc., posts were erased, and because your post began with the same user name yours got dumped, as well. All four of his posts AND James Millard's registered post were at nine different threads within 17 minutes of each other, all DTV threads. There were a few others, as well, depending on how many the imposter decided to C/P, including a couple of yours/PW's. So actually, you know more about it than I do. I just posted my observations, and you already know how well I observe. "Kenny" |
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Silver Member Username: ElgringoviegoPost Number: 222 Registered: Jun-04 | deaf -- I just saw your post. I'll go check it out now. Ken |
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Silver Member Username: ElgringoviegoPost Number: 223 Registered: Jun-04 | deaf -- Got it. Interesting observation. I'll PM my thoughts to you same place tomorrow after I think about a few things. Thanks for planting the seed, though. Ken |
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WETHEPEOPLE Unregistered guest | ALL I WANTED TO DO IS HELP PEOPLE KNOW THAT HE S A KNOWED SCAMER, SO THAT THEY DONT LOSE THER MONEY!AND I ALSO WENT AS FAST AS POSSIBLE TO THE BOARDS TO LET THEM ALSO KNOW!! HEY KENNY ANYTHING NEW THAT COULD BE WORKING THAT MYTE BE A TRUE P4 HACK! |
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Silver Member Username: RysportfanPost Number: 105 Registered: Jul-04 | ken check your email I just fwd. the response I got from the man still seems fishy |
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Silver Member Username: ElgringoviegoPost Number: 224 Registered: Jun-04 | WETHE PEOPLE -- Okay, that explains who put his posts on the other threads. Can you also explain how James Millard's registered posts also got transferred to all of the other threads at the same time? You couldn't have C/P'd them, as well, but his response is right in there each time. I'd like save my bud's butt from some embarrassment; e.g., why was only his refutation at all of the threads, and no one else's? One guy got scammed by Finish 24, so his post shold have been there. Richard Young's post should been there. My post was just being a wise-a$$, so I can understand why you didn't C/P mine. The closest thing that I can see that MIGHT have some credence to it is what you already know, and that's Cipher's prediction. He's gone out on the limb and put his credibility on the line, and for a guy of his stature that lends a lot of credibility to what he's been told and has passed on. If he's wrong, so what? You can't kill the messenger. He's never said that he has it, or that he cracked it. That's all that 99.9% of us are -- Messengers. Unless your name is no1b4me. Ken |
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Silver Member Username: ElgringoviegoPost Number: 225 Registered: Jun-04 | Richard -- Actually, that does make sense to me. As I mentioned earlier, he's not the actual poster. He's being impersonated, and I have a few guesses as to why, but I won't go into them here without more evidence. I'll reply to your e-mail in the am...your pm. Read my last post carefully. We're getting closer. Ken |
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Bronze Member Username: DeafPost Number: 39 Registered: Aug-04 | Ken check ur pm |
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Anonymous | too all those who have the hack it will be good buisness if you release it before NFL kickoff to get the max value.if you release it during season you wont get as much,because alot of people will purchase it from dave.... |
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Just trying to help Unregistered guest | Hi! I've been following this and other DSS sites ever since my HU went down on early April. But this is one of my favorites and I see that there's a user here causing some trouble. Well, it happens that I'm also an Assistant Marketing Manager for AOL's SE Div. So I have "access" to that individual's account. Indeed that person has an AOL valid account so theres not much I can do w/o jeopardizing my job. And,yes, that person's records show that he's a frequent visitor to this and other DSS sites.But the interestig thing is that on sevral of the days I checked, he visited this thread using mostly a different username than the one who claims to have a working P5 card. So I suggest there's only 2 ways to get rid for good of this troublemaker: 1.-is to file a complaint to AOL's TOS (terms of service) where his account would be cancelled and 2.-is to inform AOL's SD (security) of a possible fraud scam using an AOL account. Maybe this is none of my business, but just trying to help keep this site as one of the most "educational" and entertaining. Frank |
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PW Unregistered guest | Yes I too had some posts removed last night...one was a response to someone who stated he got scammed by finish24 for $75,to which I replied to contact AOL regarding the scam,and being foolish to ever send the $75...I too have been impersonated by MANY here AND have had posts deleted for unknown reasons...something is VERY fishy..but have no clue who is doing what..Kenneth's explaination makes sense,but why the post deletions and by whom,am confused here...would have to think this site's mod/admins etc. is very much involved in BOTH these imposter posts and deletion antics..just my own conclusion regarding all of this.. any clue...no,sorry no more info was given to me...but the hacked card was looped while watching TV,NOT during programming...and NO details of IRD or screen messages/black etc...I will try and get some more info.. |
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Finish 24 Unregistered guest | ***********FINALLY GOOD NEWS!!************ If you have a Direct TV satellite dish with the BASIC SUBSCRITION, then you are able to receive free extra channels including PPV,NFL and ADULT with your service. I have P5 cards available for $150 each. The cards are pre-programmed so that you are able to receive over 500 extra channels FOR FREE, including 96 ppv, 6 adult, HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, NFL ticket and your local stations and music channels. THE PRICES ARE $150 EACH INCLUDING SHIPPING. -FIVE MONTH GUARANTY ALSO INCLUDED TO ORDER E-MAIL ME AT finish24@aol.com AND PLEASE ALSO INCLUDE YOUR IRD's SERIAL NUMBER. HURRY BECAUSE I HAVE ONLY 60 CARDS LEFT **************THIS IS NO SCAM****************** MANY ECoustcs MEMBERS ARE NOW HAPPY CUSTOMERS |
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Silver Member Username: Jmill1948Chester, Va Usa Post Number: 213 Registered: Apr-04 | finish24 is a crook she will take your money and will not send the product. then she will block your email.so be warned she is a scammer.peace.jmill |
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Finish 24 Unregistered guest | Can't understand why you discredit me without ever trying my cards. May be you're a Dave's man ? In the end, people know who to trusr. |
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Silver Member Username: Jmill1948Chester, Va Usa Post Number: 216 Registered: Apr-04 | Finish24 you know who i am you ripped me off but you will not ripp my friends here at ecoustics off i promise you that.......jmill1948 |
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New member Username: BjkiddPost Number: 2 Registered: Jun-04 | here is a c&p from the buy and sell paper in manitoba **DIRECT TV** SUBSCRIBE to direct TV, phone 223-2318. for information call evenings and weekends. Tel: 204-223-2318 |
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Skippy Unregistered guest | THE-TRUTH - Where are you little buddy. I think a few people are holding their breaths here waiting to hear from you. Good or bad ! ! ! |
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Skippy Unregistered guest | BTW My friend finally did get a signal for his satellite in Brampton, but when he inserted the card that was programmed in Kitchener he got "card not working. inserted wrong card, please insert the right access card." So I have no idea what it is they're selling out there but, he says he's going back there tomorrow for them to resolve the issue. |
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Thanks Indians Unregistered guest | ATTENTION..ATTENTION the fix is in Montreal on and Indian reserve they have it..I repeat the fix is in Kanawake Reserve, but you have to know someone there on Reserve or they won't help you. Its really kept under wraps there,, gotta know someone. They did a couple of p5 cards for the neighbor.... there natives and know someone on reserve and are gonna help me out with fix, when they go there next to get smokes.I can't wait. U people are gonna be waiting awhile. |
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Ya Right Unregistered guest | In another thread there was mention of Canadian Native Americans being able to program cards on Native Reserves. Here is a C&P from the site (a consumer electronics site!) that the Native Reserves rumor originated from. It explains how this rumor started and how it is pure BS. THERE IS NO DAVE HACK AS OF YET. I REPEAT, THERE IS NO DAVE HACK AS OF YET. A little while ago, back when you guys were posting on the old thread (Programming P4 Cards), a guy going by the name tusf (living in D.D.O. Montreal) claimed a friend of his told him there was a dave hack available at a near by Indian Resevre. It was back then when I started keeping my eye on these forums. After tusf kept posting no result, I took action into my own hands. Myself, along with a few others have been colaborating together online for over a year trying to get the p4 dave fix. One of my buddies (online) happens to live a hour out of Montreal. It was probably about three weeks ago, my buddy drove his car out to the Indian resevre Kanawahke, once he reached the reserve he found signs along the road indicating how to get to the satellite store. Like tusf said ther was only one satellite store on the reserve. The store is called Satellite Works, but unfortunately NO DAVE FIX. They (the store) have anything anyone could need to start testing any type of Satellite system, BUT NOT DAVE. THERE IS NO P4 P5 FIX ON THE INDIAN RESERVES. I'm not trying to be the bearer of bad news but rather inform all of you with the truth. If you read tusf's old post back on the old thread, I guess he seemed honest and knew a bit about subbing dave from Canada. I don't believe it was him who posted that BS yesterday, it seemed more like someone trying to get everyone's hopes up for nothing. Seems like people will do anything just to ruin any validity to any post posted here. What can you do? |
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The Truth Doesnt Lie Unregistered guest | You people are so dumb there(indians) are not programming cards in store .But in someones house and they wont let strangers in. Gotta be blood or a bro and they will help U out with a good working fix...Man these indians here are smart dudes. There making a killing off this.. if they would just sell to a big site they would be millionares. |
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Silver Member Username: TvlonelyPost Number: 203 Registered: Jun-04 | yeah. my mom's balling some guy named tonto and he's getting mine fixed. |
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Anonymous | leslie can ur mom do anotherone for me ? |
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Silver Member Username: TazspinPost Number: 148 Registered: May-04 | I only have two words to say on this subject (Indians being the only ones with the hack) the first is bull and the second the filter on this site won't allow me to type. |
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WETHEPEOPLE Unregistered guest | Please leslie can she do one more please!if i have to ill get my girlfreind,maybe joronomo myte take her for a card! |
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Silver Member Username: TazspinPost Number: 149 Registered: May-04 | wow what do you know dtv just happens to be using the same encryption that smoke signals use so it was easy for the natives to crack. |
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Kill Bill Unregistered guest | you guys are stupid-indian hackers-lol |
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Skippy Unregistered guest | I think "Hacking" on Indian reserves is what they do to wood (or other objects) with blunt instruments. |
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Geronamo Unregistered guest | I think it would be very tricky setting a dish up on a teepee |
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Silver Member Username: ElgringoviegoPost Number: 227 Registered: Jun-04 | James -- You're chasing an imposter(s) around. Finsh 24 is not posting that garbage. And it's from more than one computer/addy. We're trying to match the IP's with other poster's IP's. Once we get the match, that poster(s)'s name(s)/IP(s) will be passed on to all other sites. Ken Here's another "rumor" from Baja: My ex-wife just e-mailed me and wanted to know how the "business" was going. She asked because her sister, who lives three blocks from me, just received a flyer in her mailbox that DTV is back and now available (she used to deal with someone else before I came on board). I'm trying to get the flyer. THAT'S IT. I DON'T HAVE A FIX. I DON'T KNOW IF ONE EXISTS. IT'S A RUMOR, BUT I CAN GUARANTEE THAT THE FLYER EXISTS...NO MORE THAN THAT. Ken |
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PW Unregistered guest | Ken I think this time you're way off track. Why would finish24 bother to be posting if not for his own benefit ? |
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Silver Member Username: TazspinPost Number: 150 Registered: May-04 | Taz only uses one other name and taz haz some native American blood (I have nothing against indian I just find it highly unlikely they are the one and only with the hack) taz only hates islam. |
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PW Unregistered guest | BTW Scamming is good business these days. Eveen for registered members. Get it ? |
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PW Unregistered guest | FYI...I am the real PW...and did NOT make the 2 last posts!...my last post here infers that this site has something to do with imposters and deletions!...take it for what its worth,I really can't prove it either way,BUT...sure does stink around here!...and I do not want to lose any recent "agreements/or truces", so I want to make that VERY clear!...again someone is being a "fake" me and I'm fairly certain its someone associated with this site (amd not just a member!)e |
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Silver Member Username: ElgringoviegoPost Number: 228 Registered: Jun-04 | PW -- A better question would be, Why would Finish24 bother posting an old scam that everyone knows is a scam, and still using the same nick that everyone knows is a scammer? He was good enough to rip a lot of people off the last time, and he's be smart enough to change his nick and scam this time around -- which I'm sure he's already done. This BS is merely intended to pi$$off some people, and to make another person look like he's the knight on the white horse riding in to save the poor folk from being ripped off. Some people need that kinda stuff to reinforce their tarnished image. Get it? Ken |
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Silver Member Username: ElgringoviegoPost Number: 229 Registered: Jun-04 | The "real" PW -- Fear not, I know that the two posts prior to yours were from someone else. For what it's worth, and I'm not bashing you, but you're difficult to imitate. Ken |
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Silver Member Username: TazspinPost Number: 151 Registered: May-04 | though it does seem that posts are only deleted after someone (like rich) actually complains to the admins other wise they pretty much ignore us (but yeah they do seem to delete more than they should). And yeah I agree that finished 24 should be done using that name and would have moved on to new scams (but then again if that is a trackable email maybe somebody is trying to get him in more trouble than he already is in). |
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Silver Member Username: ElgringoviegoPost Number: 230 Registered: Jun-04 | Taz Spin -- Good point, m'man. Ken |
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New member Username: Nuke_meccaPost Number: 7 Registered: Aug-04 | I heard the muslims cracked the p4, p5-d1 and are refusing to release it because it would let people see p*rn and other western entertainment (hey it makes as much sence as all these other rumors). |
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PW Unregistered guest | I am the fake PW |
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Anonymous | good for u |
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PW Unregistered guest | me 2 i am the other PW |
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PW Unregistered guest | anyway wtf is PW ? |
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New member Username: PutzPost Number: 1 Registered: Aug-04 | No, I am the fake PW |
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New member Username: PutzPost Number: 2 Registered: Aug-04 | The real PW and Richard and Kenneth and deaf and Taz and anonymous and Nuke Mecca, you were all right, alright? Putznutz now rulez! |
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the real PW-voice Unregistered guest | well since U have now registered (1 post)..U can be banned,since U're a fake PW...from the original real PW. how about posting this creeps IP,so I can ban him from dsscentral too! |
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PW Unregistered guest | I AM THE REGISTERED PW |
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PW Unregistered guest | SO I CALL THE SHOTS HERE |
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PW Unregistered guest | LIKE IT OR NOT |
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Anonymous | dsskidd get lost!! |
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New member Username: PutzPost Number: 3 Registered: Aug-04 | How can I be a fake PW if I am the real registered PW who say he is the real fake PW? What you say make me confused so who am I and who am I not? BTW my ip is broked so you cant fix me at dsscentral too. Putznutz forever. |
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Bronze Member Username: DeafPost Number: 40 Registered: Aug-04 | Ken check ur pm |
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Silver Member Username: ElgringoviegoPost Number: 231 Registered: Jun-04 | deaf -- check yours. |
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Silver Member Username: ElgringoviegoPost Number: 232 Registered: Jun-04 | Yeah, and I missed that too. Look at the following post also. How does he know that? And why can't he? Scams over. Great job. Ken |
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therealfakepw Unregistered guest | your all pw'd |
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Silver Member Username: ElgringoviegoPost Number: 233 Registered: Jun-04 | Back at ya. See what I mean? |
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Silver Member Username: ElgringoviegoPost Number: 234 Registered: Jun-04 | It works. How did you do that? Can you do that everywhere, or just in those places you mentioned? There he is again! TRUTH, you da Man! Ken |
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THE-TRUTH Unregistered guest | Often in life bad $hit happens. Sometimes it happens to someone close to you. Unfortunately it's been almost two weeks since I've been able to bring myself to even look at a computer. Dealing with personal tragidy isn't my stong point. Finally today I do feel my hunger to test returning, and later on today I'll be in touch with my crew (as I stated, I've been out of the loop for two weeks). I'm back, hurting a bit, but I AM BACK. THE TRUTH |
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Bronze Member Username: WindupPost Number: 49 Registered: Jun-04 | Truth I don't think any of us handle personal tragidy very well, thats why we are human beings. I do not know you but by the posts you make here but when one suffers all suffer. I wish you a speedy recovery from your sense of loss and I really look forward to reading your posts here again. Wayne |
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Skippy Unregistered guest | Wayne - That was an expression of true class. Truth - I echo the sentiments of Wayne |
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THE-TRUTH Unregistered guest | Thank you folks. I really appreciate it. |
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PW-voice Unregistered guest | Truth...sorry for your troubling times. Free PPV info (DTV online ordering/pull card,cancel online,watch it the next day)...well it doesn't work anymore: As of last night (at least from my home),this Free PPV's "method" NO LONGER WORKS....the CANCEL button has been removed from Dave's online site...and I called DTV to confirm...actually the reps there weren't aware that there was ever a cancel button,but yes it did have one before,and use to work....but NO MORE! DTV is getting smart...and as I have been told before,maybe I should shut up and keep a good thing quiet...so Dave doesn't see it when he monitors these and many forums,which I'm sure he must....but I like to share good info,but in the future,I think my sharing very good info will be kept in the "premium" area..sorry,but gotta look out for the few,rather than wreck it for the all..e |
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Silver Member Username: R_solePost Number: 130 Registered: Jun-04 | Truth, let me spread some truth for a change, 1) there is probably nothing anyone can say here that will make you feel better right now 2) one day, you will feel better. I only hope it is soon. Cheers |
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New member Username: Danimal2208Post Number: 6 Registered: Aug-04 | Good to see you Truth... Its all good. Also I missed the honesty!!! The truth hurts sometimes but it is always for the best!!! Danimal |
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THE-TRUTH Unregistered guest | again Thank you folks. I really appreciate it. |
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New member Username: PutzPost Number: 4 Registered: Aug-04 | I cant believe that Pw-voice would say in one breath that he's sorry for THE-TRUTHs troubling times and in the same breath take credit for making publik FreePPV method. U kept saying that it was no good and wouldnot work and now you saying that from now on UR going to keep UR info in the premium area. U suk. And do U think DAVE cant go to UR premium area? Ur stupid to. I am really sorry for whatever happen to THE TRUTH and anyone else. And I am very happy to have THE TRUTH back here with sum of the few ppl who do tell the truth. putz |
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PW-voice Unregistered guest | No prob TRUTH... That's what friends are for... And look who's talking... the FAKE PW !...Shame on U |
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PW-voice Unregistered guest | PW the registered fake,and the fake PW-voice above this post...I never took credit for the FREE PPV method....and I never said it didn't work!....what I did question was the use of no745 boards to get FREE UPGRADE,NOT FREE PPV's...so get your BS straight before U open mouth,and pose as others too...as U did again as me in the post directly above this...I don't need anyone to speak for me...e |
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PW-voice Unregistered guest | ...or maybe I do..e |
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PW-voice Unregistered guest | whatever...the last thing I need is looking as a JERK...e |
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Anonymous | peckerhead...Nobody taught you the meaning of compassion ? |
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Silver Member Username: ElgringoviegoPost Number: 235 Registered: Jun-04 | THE-TRUTH -- Richard Sole said it the best, and a gang of others here feel the same way, myself included. You're a class act, and I know that you'll get through your grief with the same degree of class that you've always demonstrated. Life goes on, and the best way to get though it is by doing what we do best. Glad to see that you've already reached that conclusion. Write your posts, and we'll all ignore all of the other fru-fru just to have the privilige of reading what you have to say. I'll be looking forward to "Later." Respectfully, Ken |
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THE-TRUTH Unregistered guest | Thank you folks. I really appreciate it. Now, let us carry on... |
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markcam Unregistered guest | check out what this guy says about the p4/p5 hes got a good point its at dsscentral.net p4news |
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New member Username: IrdaonePost Number: 2 Registered: Aug-04 | too alll and what do I need to get started.....no b.s. just good facts.....and how much would it cost to do it first class....I am looking forward to doing my own testing |
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Silver Member Username: ElgringoviegoPost Number: 236 Registered: Jun-04 | markam -- Here's a C/P of the one you mentioned that's over at dsscentral. (I_R_DA_ONE: Just read this, and you'll know all you need to know) (THE-TRUTH: Can you respond to this? You're the only guy I know who can comment with authority.) ----------------------Begin---------------------- C/P from another site If there was, a P4-ZKT would be posted. if the ROM were already dumped, this would be known. 2. There is no way to recoup the development costs -- the lawsuits have made buying risky, and the voracious free-tv'ers will steal the technology rather than pay for the equipment and time reverse engineering the product. 3. Dtv has learned from the past -- the F didn't have the ASIC -- fixed in the H. The H had software bugs which allowed access -- fixed with the development process and code reviews for the Hu. The Hu was vulnerable to power/clock glitches -- fixed in the P4 generation. Remember, for there to be a viable hack, it has to be packagable -- which if it requires Focused Ion Beam editting to enable glitching, won't be useable by very many testers. Finally, the appeal to time. The Hu was already compromised by the time the H stream was dying. People want to hear that it is hacked, so they believe, but historically, the previous card had always been hacked before the death of the current generation. I have to say dirtminer, you are about as close on the money as anyone can get at this point. Dealers can't make money if they don't sell what they have, if they have it. You also have to consider any group that has a hack and is holding it back "for the right moment" risks getting beat to the punch by another group. If it were stable and marketable, it would be out there right now, while the demand is ripe and high. NPTB, its nice to say that what man has made, man can break, but breaking and hacking are two totally different things. Think not? Go ask all the peeps who waited forever for a VCII+ hack. Any day now turned into years and still nothing. Primestar was the same way and also made by GI and never ever hacked. It did have a smart card slot which was never used, because it was never needed, because the hardware inside was never compromised. Guess who bought out primestar and that technology? Yep DTV. As dirtminer correctly stated, the H card was hacked well before the F was dead and the Hu hack was public even before the H was dead. Now you have a nearly dead Hu and not a single viable dealer even offering ANY sort of hack for the P4/P5/D1. Would a good businessman/businesswoman wait till everyone has jumped ship and bought a FTA or ran to charlie, then release a hack? I think not. If it were out there and stable folks, it would be available right now, while the iron is hot and panicked peeps are willing to pay the cheeks off their a** to get it. Even if it were, an "unglitchable" card will be an icescraper everytime it gets looped, because if you can't glitch into the loop, how ya gonna unloop it? Don't hold your breath folks, because the road ahead is going to get rocky and now that the heat is on charlie, he is going to jump right in and take care of some business too. Everyone keeps saying the dealers have to make their money first, but when no dealer is selling, they are not making any money, because they simply don't have anything to sell at this point. Just my opinion. All those promises that it was out there but "not needed at this time" were bullshit. "It would only be released when somebody could make some money off of it." Uh, from reading the forums I see quite a few desperate people out there who can't watch TV right now. The "market" seems pretty dam ripe to me. 2. Not one SHRED of evidence has surfaced that anybody has gotten into a P4. I see a lot of posts that say it's "too unstable" for public release. Since when do hackers care whether something is stable enough for the public...getting all ethical now? Again, I call BULL$HIT. Or maybe they're talking about it being too unstable to SELL. You don't have to prove it's been compromised by posting a working fix. A simple P4/D1 range CAMID and matching ZKT that can be verified is all that is needed to prove it has been compromised. Posted via proxy or whatever other means to protect the poster from the authorities. How about an EEPROM dump? Partial disassembly (reverse engineer) of that dump? We haven't seen it because it's not there. The card has been out for two years and not one single byte of verifiable data has appeared to substantiate that a hacker has seen it's secrets. What do you think? Just by pure chance we should have already seen something...in two years? 3. Wah, wah, wah...One man can make it, another man can break it. I'm sick of seeing that one. While it's true that nothing can be 100% secure...all D*V has to do is keep you out long enough to make it financially feasible to keep issuing new cards. As long as it takes a few years (3-5) to break into the current card, they're ahead of the game and already issuing new cards. At that point it's OVER. Where's the financial gain in that (for the hackers)? The only people left trying to get in are the few *true* hackers who are doing it because they can't resist a challenge. Then, once all the forums and DSS sites whither up and die, the number of people actively probing the inner workings of the cards goes down drastically. Something else goes down with the number of people and it's the most important of all: KNOWLEDGE. Fewer people with less knowledge means the "attack front" is reduced and with it the threat and probability of compromises of current and future cards. Think about it, if it takes another year for a P4 hack to surface, 90% of all the D*T specific DSS sites will be long gone. Their goal of crushing the piracy market will have succeeded. 4. Anybody who's looked at those leaked specifications will see that the P4/D1 is a kick a$$ card. Now assuming that those documents are not faked (they looked pretty dam offical to me) some things that stand out are: A. The inability to change CAMID's (they're hard coded - not in EEPROM). That one right there kills a LOT of ability. It's surprising they didn't inlcude that ability (or lack thereof) in earlier cards. Sure as hel makes it harder to hack when you can't clone cards. Of course the no ZKT mod would help here, but I would imagine that they will come up with a way of requiring your private key or group keys to be valid for the given CAMID in order to take essential updates. Meaning if you spoof a CAMID using some no ZKT method, there still exists the possibility of still requiring the ID to match other important corresponding data on the card in order for it to function properly. B. A shut down mechanism. The card processor is reportedly to be based on a European smart money card that is loaded with cash and as you buy things, it deducts from the balance on the card. Once the card reaches zero, it's designed to self destruct so that as they are thrown into the trash they aren't scooped up by hackers trying to reload money on them. They are destroyed via code in ROM at the end of their lives. If D*V chose to implement that into the P4/D1 - you're f*cked! Instead of getting looped - your card gets irreversibly KILLED. Quite nasty and quite effective. If I were designing a card I would surely include such a function. C. The specs call for the ability of the card to handle a tier expiration date rollover that occurs some 10+ years from now. Seems they are quite confident that the card will remain unhacked for that amount of time. Why make that specification? 5. Be aware that the people who are designing these cards are not stupid. Yes, they may have overlooked many weaknesses in their designs in the past, but they are learning from them. We look back at Henry Ford's first cars and laugh at 6 horsepower and 9 MPH top speed - but look at where we are now? All the newer cards are implementing more and more encryption capabilities. In case you don't know, public key cryptosystems cannot be broken. Not with a million computers working for LONGER THAN THE CURRENT AGE OF THE UNIVERSE. Unless someone comes up with a way of efficiently factoring large primes (the basis for PKE), it will remain unbroken. With the utilization of more and more of this technology into smart cards, hacking them starts becoming insurmountable. This new card has TONS of cryptographic functions. And these are ones that go waaaaaay beyond a simple XOR key! Think about the ZKT. It has never been possible to generate your own CAMID/ZKT pair on any of the cards. This just proves it's effectiveness (it's using properties of PKE digital signing). Now imagine using that CAMID/ZKT idea for zeroing out PPV purchases. Instead of using a simple 0, to indicate the obvious zero balance, think if they used the ZKT idea (or digitally signed the PPV's). If the PPV zero balance was digitally signed, it then becomes a special, non-recreateable, non-zero number. How would you get around that? What about tiers? What if the tiers were digitally signed for each card? The possibilites numb the mind! The important part? If implemented, there are no workarounds for them until PKE is broken! Read up on PKE (public key encryption) and digital signing when you have some spare time. You'll be enlightened. ------------------------End----------------------- Lol, Ken (A few words have been edited to pass the censor here.) |
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PW-voice Unregistered guest | Looks like a DT post,always negative,but very technical...time will tell,I personally believe different and remain optimistic.. |
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Anonymous | I don't believe a word of that crapp |
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Bronze Member Username: Haney49Post Number: 56 Registered: Jul-04 | the smart cards thay use here for voteing is made by the same cop. has any one look in to that. |
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The truth is this... Unregistered guest | P-4 hack is done right now... But, if you come across a webste that claims they have it they are scammers and there is a lot of them out there right now. If someone has it they are not telling anyone Will it be out soon??, more then likely, just when they can come up with a way to release it without going to jail. And people who say here they have seen it are lieing. Why would you come in here and say you seen it or have one but can offer it to anyone.. Well, I will tell you why, it is because they don't have it, just like to brag about something they don't have. Also when they do start offering it will require all new hardware that is not avaible right now. You will not be able to even use the proggies you use with the HU(p-3) card. And if there was P-4 fix being offered it would be known. As a member the the best dss website on he next |
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PW-voice Unregistered guest | Something odd,or maybe its just me..I have never seen that post copy/paste at dsscentral.net....and I read almost every post there daily...and also using keyword "dirtminer" or "Beam",my SEARCH results come up empty there..SO,I can't find it there...LOL....could someone please give me the SPECIFIC topic area (ex:industry news,world news,P4) and the SPECIFIC thread title also,that this is posted in there..or just link the post here,if U can...I want to check something out there...TY |
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PW-voice Unregistered guest | I starting to believe this is just another Dave paid insertion. |
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Silver Member Username: ElgringoviegoPost Number: 237 Registered: Jun-04 | PW-voice -- I'm ashamed of you. I went where Markcam told me, and had it in two minutes. You go to File Share (middle left), hit P4/D1, and it's the latest file there, right at the top. It's a zip-file, so I unzipped it and edited (ugh!) all of the "naughty words" so that it could pass through the censorship here. The post was dated today. I've also referred my C/P to some other people at other sites for their comments, as well (Cipher, e.g.). Markcam, you did the right thing by pointing out that file. Some people want to kill the messenger, but that's all any of here are, anyway. None of us are going to hack the card. Ken |
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WETHEPEOPLE Unregistered guest | iv been told this all of what kenny has said,for a very long time,i just closed my hearing and look they other way! they say this card has to be broken in in 3 diffent ways all at the same time, i really dont no what that means just that it is a very hard card to breakopen!ITS SAD TO SAY THAT I AgREE WITH WHAT KENNY HAS SAID!reason my freind has been breaking codes for 11years and he told me this card is a freedom killer. ihateyoudave |
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Uncensored version... Unregistered guest | C/P from another site If there was, a P4-ZKT would be posted. if the ROM were already dumped, this would be known. 2. There is no way to recoup the development costs -- the lawsuits have made buying risky, and the voracious free-tv'ers will steal the technology rather than pay for the equipment and time reverse engineering the product. 3. Dtv has learned from the past -- the F didn't have the ASIC -- fixed in the H. The H had software bugs which allowed access -- fixed with the development process and code reviews for the Hu. The Hu was vulnerable to power/clock glitches -- fixed in the P4 generation. Remember, for there to be a viable hack, it has to be packagable -- which if it requires Focused Ion Beam editting to enable glitching, won't be useable by very many testers. Finally, the appeal to time. The Hu was already compromised by the time the H stream was dying. People want to hear that it is hacked, so they believe, but historically, the previous card had always been hacked before the death of the current generation. I have to say dirtminer, you are about as close on the money as anyone can get at this point. Dealers can't make money if they don't sell what they have, if they have it. You also have to consider any group that has a hack and is holding it back "for the right moment" risks getting beat to the punch by another group. If it were stable and marketable, it would be out there right now, while the demand is ripe and high. NPTB, its nice to say that what man has made, man can break, but breaking and hacking are two totally different things. Think not? Go ask all the peeps who waited forever for a VCII+ hack. Any day now turned into years and still nothing. Primestar was the same way and also made by GI and never ever hacked. It did have a smart card slot which was never used, because it was never needed, because the hardware inside was never compromised. Guess who bought out primestar and that technology? Yep DTV. As dirtminer correctly stated, the H card was hacked well before the F was dead and the Hu hack was public even before the H was dead. Now you have a nearly dead Hu and not a single viable dealer even offering ANY sort of hack for the P4/P5/D1. Would a good businessman/businesswoman wait till everyone has jumped ship and bought a FTA or ran to charlie, then release a hack? I think not. If it were out there and stable folks, it would be available right now, while the iron is hot and panicked peeps are willing to pay the cheeks off their assto get it. Even if it were, an "unglitchable" card will be an icescraper everytime it gets looped, because if you can't glitch into the loop, how ya gonna unloop it? Don't hold your breath folks, because the road ahead is going to get rocky and now that the heat is on charlie, he is going to jump right in and take care of some business too. Everyone keeps saying the dealers have to make their money first, but when no dealer is selling, they are not making any money, because they simply don't have anything to sell at this point. Just my opinion. All those promises that it was out there but "not needed at this time" were bullshiit. "It would only be released when somebody could make some money off of it." Uh, from reading the forums I see quite a few desperate people out there who can't watch TV right now. The "market" seems pretty damn ripe to me. 2. Not one SHRED of evidence has surfaced that anybody has gotten into a P4. I see a lot of posts that say it's "too unstable" for public release. Since when do hackers care whether something is stable enough for the public...getting all ethical now? Again, I call BULLSHIIT. Or maybe they're talking about it being too unstable to SELL. You don't have to prove it's been compromised by posting a working fix. A simple P4/D1 range CAMID and matching ZKT that can be verified is all that is needed to prove it has been compromised. Posted via proxy or whatever other means to protect the poster from the authorities. How about an EEPROM dump? Partial disassembly (reverse engineer) of that dump? We haven't seen it because it's not there. The card has been out for two years and not one single byte of verifiable data has appeared to substantiate that a hacker has seen it's secrets. What do you think? Just by pure chance we should have already seen something...in two years? 3. Wah, wah, wah...One man can make it, another man can break it. I'm sick of seeing that one. While it's true that nothing can be 100% secure...all D*V has to do is keep you out long enough to make it financially feasible to keep issuing new cards. As long as it takes a few years (3-5) to break into the current card, they're ahead of the game and already issuing new cards. At that point it's OVER. Where's the financial gain in that (for the hackers)? The only people left trying to get in are the few *true* hackers who are doing it because they can't resist a challenge. Then, once all the forums and DSS sites whither up and die, the number of people actively probing the inner workings of the cards goes down drastically. Something else goes down with the number of people and it's the most important of all: KNOWLEDGE. Fewer people with less knowledge means the "attack front" is reduced and with it the threat and probability of compromises of current and future cards. Think about it, if it takes another year for a P4 hack to surface, 90% of all the D*T specific DSS sites will be long gone. Their goal of crushing the piracy market will have succeeded. 4. Anybody who's looked at those leaked specifications will see that the P4/D1 is a kickass card. Now assuming that those documents are not faked (they looked pretty damn offical to me) some things that stand out are: A. The inability to change CAMID's (they're hard coded - not in EEPROM). That one right there kills a LOT of ability. It's surprising they didn't inlcude that ability (or lack thereof) in earlier cards. Sure as hell makes it harder to hack when you can't clone cards. Of course the no ZKT mod would help here, but I would imagine that they will come up with a way of requiring your private key or group keys to be valid for the given CAMID in order to take essential updates. Meaning if you spoof a CAMID using some no ZKT method, there still exists the possibility of still requiring the ID to match other important corresponding data on the card in order for it to function properly. B. A shut down mechanism. The card processor is reportedly to be based on a European smart money card that is loaded with cash and as you buy things, it deducts from the balance on the card. Once the card reaches zero, it's designed to self destruct so that as they are thrown into the trash they aren't scooped up by hackers trying to reload money on them. They are destroyed via code in ROM at the end of their lives. If D*V chose to implement that into the P4/D1 - you're f*cked! Instead of getting looped - your card gets irreversibly KILLED. Quite nasty and quite effective. If I were designing a card I would surely include such a function. C. The specs call for the ability of the card to handle a tier expiration date rollover that occurs some 10+ years from now. Seems they are quite confident that the card will remain unhacked for that amount of time. Why make that specification? 5. Be aware that the people who are designing these cards are not stupid. Yes, they may have overlooked many weaknesses in their designs in the past, but they are learning from them. We look back at Henry Ford's first cars and laugh at 6 horsepower and 9 MPH top speed - but look at where we are now? All the newer cards are implementing more and more encryption capabilities. In case you don't know, public key cryptosystems cannot be broken. Not with a million computers working for LONGER THAN THE CURRENT AGE OF THE UNIVERSE. Unless someone comes up with a way of efficiently factoring large primes (the basis for PKE), it will remain unbroken. With the utilization of more and more of this technology into smart cards, hacking them starts becoming insurmountable. This new card has TONS of cryptographic functions. And these are ones that go waaaaaay beyond a simple XOR key! Think about the ZKT. It has never been possible to generate your own CAMID/ZKT pair on any of the cards. This just proves it's effectiveness (it's using properties of PKE digital signing). Now imagine using that CAMID/ZKT idea for zeroing out PPV purchases. Instead of using a simple 0, to indicate the obvious zero balance, think if they used the ZKT idea (or digitally signed the PPV's). If the PPV zero balance was digitally signed, it then becomes a special, non-recreateable, non-zero number. How would you get around that? What about tiers? What if the tiers were digitally signed for each card? The possibilites numb the mind! The important part? If implemented, there are no workarounds for them until PKE is broken! Read up on PKE (public key encryption) and digital signing when you have some spare time. You'll be enlightened. |
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OH NO........  Unregistered guest | I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THE HACK FOR ALMOST 3½ MONTHS !!!.... SO DONT COME WITH THIS NOW !!! |
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cas Unregistered guest | PW-Voice try this site:DSSFPT.com they have pretty heavy info about the P4. Some of the guys there already stated that is almost impossible to break this card. |
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OH NO........ Unregistered guest | SORRY..... I MEANT 4½ MONTHS  |
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PW-voice Unregistered guest | TY...I never would have thought to look in the File sharing area (member uploads)...LOL....cause thats for test FILES,not posts!...in fact,others have been warned NOT to upload comments in the File share area..Forums are for posts and comments,so others can reply and voice their thoughts regarding the topic and thread...well I will unzip it, and check it out..again TY...and do appreciate the help and another site suggestion too.. BTW...I do believe the hack is done NOW..and will be eventually released,stolen,or leaked..it won't be as simple as the HU fix,but I don't think it will be as difficult as we might think..simple iso,and use of a couple old programs and we might be back in the saddle.. |
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PW-voice Unregistered guest | BTW...I slso do believe that we will be watching free Dave by Christmas.. |
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PW-voice Unregistered guest | BTW...I slso do believe that we will be watching free Dave before Christmas.. |
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