NFusion or Sonicview or KBox ?
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Bronze Member Username: HardwarecrazyPost Number: 70 Registered: Dec-07 | Guys, I am confused about buying one of SD FTA from: 1. nFusion Solaris 2. SonicView 360 3. KBox K1 Prodigy I know that nF & SV have been around for a long time in the N2 era and SV was distinctly better as for as programming was concerned with less support needs, but KBox is popping up frequently as a good one in the N3 era. Your thoughts? |
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Silver Member Username: PeggPost Number: 104 Registered: Aug-06 | Go with either SV or Kbox. You can use both as standalone when n3 is cracked. For nfusion, you always need it to be connected with internet. |
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Bronze Member Username: HardwarecrazyPost Number: 71 Registered: Dec-07 | Good point, Pegg. What about freezing etc? Picture quality ? Once they get the info from Internet, can they be taken offline? |
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New member Username: 5355Post Number: 8 Registered: Jul-09 | nfusion and kbox is good |
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Bronze Member Username: Stinko_dinkoZip Code 99559955 Post Number: 64 Registered: Nov-07 | Hardware, all IKS boxes are required to be connected if you want to watch TV. I will suggest you to wait until Sept/Oct and see for sure if IKS is the only way, on the main time you can subscribe to cable basic or whatever and save yourself some money instead of buying an expensive IKS box that you won't use anymore |
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Silver Member Username: RescateVENEZUELA, M... Post Number: 384 Registered: Nov-07 | kbox |
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Silver Member Username: PeggPost Number: 105 Registered: Aug-06 | Hardware, I have not tried nfusion. But as far as kbox and sonicview is concerned. The picture quality is great. I like kbox better than the basic model of sonicview in terms of picture quality. |
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Platinum Member Username: NydasPost Number: 15632 Registered: Jun-06 | A lot of BEV channels. Some DN Channels. Few PPV starting to come through. No Internationals of DN Good picture quality Very few freeze ups Very few or No BEV channels. A lot of DN Channels. No PPVs Lot of Internationsal of DN Good picture quality Some freeze ups Very few or No BEV channels. A lot of DN Channels. No PPVs No or very few Internationsals of DN Good picture quality More freeze ups but improving |
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Silver Member Username: PeggPost Number: 107 Registered: Aug-06 | Hardware, I have not tried nfusion. But as far as kbox and sonicview is concerned. The picture quality is great. I like kbox better than the basic model of sonicview in terms of picture quality. |
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New member Username: 5355Post Number: 9 Registered: Jul-09 | picture quality is great. on k box |
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Bronze Member Username: HardwarecrazyPost Number: 72 Registered: Dec-07 | You guys are all super! Thanks a ton! |
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Bronze Member Username: JoseluisMeXiCaLi Post Number: 66 Registered: Oct-06 | you have to bring NANO and NANO2 to this discussion, btw im not sure you could run nano2 on stand alone fix, does someone know? |
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New member Username: KboxPost Number: 10 Registered: Jul-09 | yes BEV channels. up and kbox A lot of DN Channels. No PPVs Lot of Internationsal of DN Good picture quality Some freeze ups |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 10198 Registered: Jan-08 | Pegg Mcintosh Silver Member Username: Pegg Post Number: 104 Registered: Aug-06 Posted on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 03:46 pm: Edit Post Go with either SV or Kbox. You can use both as standalone when n3 is cracked. For nfusion, you always need it to be connected with internet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- False my friend The Solaris can work stand alone and don't need USB port because you can send the bin file directly in your box from your computer. The best for now is NFusion the first IKS and the best with many channels on both providers and only minor freeze.  |
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Gold Member Username: GregrafPost Number: 3160 Registered: Dec-07 | I think you are correct also Plymouth. Im sticking with them even though they stuck me with my Nova. |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 10200 Registered: Jan-08 | Greg I don't know the Nova but the Solaris is much better that I toughed. You was right when you says NFusion ROCK |
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Gold Member Username: GregrafPost Number: 3162 Registered: Dec-07 | My nova still works great and i dont mind bev but i miss vh1 classic |
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Silver Member Username: PeggPost Number: 108 Registered: Aug-06 | Thanks Plymouth. Good to know that Solaris can work standalone with direct data transfer. That's amazing. I did not know about it. How about nFusion hd? does it work standalone? |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 10204 Registered: Jan-08 | Pegg I don't know for HD(stand alone), but I thing it is same thing, the new NFusion's are very better than older and are not so cheaper. The way to load file in receiver from your computer is a little to dangerous for bad ppl, so I do not post how do it for our security, I have to do some test to know how made it safe to use before give the way to do it. One thing is sure, this Solaris is a very good receiver, much better than what I heard on Nova, faster, very good picture and the support is the best of all IKS with minor freeze then always up.  |
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Bronze Member Username: TerebichanPost Number: 61 Registered: Nov-08 | Nalin Nyda, you are a little bit wrong Nfusion A lot of BEV channels. (very very few in french) Some DN Channels. (recently add some Latino) nothing on NOVA Few PPV starting to come through. (recently few VOD) No Internationals of DN (very few, arab, india) Good picture quality (limit) Very few freeze ups (suns currently goes down) kbox Very few or No BEV channels. (few) A lot of DN Channels. No PPVs Lot of Internationsal of DN Good picture quality Some freeze ups Sonicview 360 Very few or No BEV channels. (praticly ALL exept PPV and TV5 sd) A lot of DN Channels. (All and one PPV punctually) No PPVs No or very few Internationsals of DN (few Arab, India & Chinese) Good picture quality More freeze ups but improving (freezing only on few BEV channel, more stable on D!SH at this time) --- All these boxes are same gimmick their coders have more bandit profile than intellectual and work for resellers not for customers. |
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Silver Member Username: CntrlaltdelPost Number: 286 Registered: Nov-06 | I don't own a SV or Kbox, but I'm loving my Nfusion... so much I'll probably upgrade to an HD box this week. |
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Platinum Member Username: NydasPost Number: 15634 Registered: Jun-06 | And accordingly, people like ................. who tried dozens of times with different names are definite total failures. Q.E.D. |
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Gold Member Username: GregrafPost Number: 3167 Registered: Dec-07 | What a LOSER |
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Gold Member Username: LolMAYBE I CAN ASK TO, , ADMIN TO BAN YOU Post Number: 1602 Registered: Sep-06 | does your nfusion get PPV ? sv has VOD ppv 5816 to 5825 more soon But Nalin Nyda only has a pansat so she wouldn't know this |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 10209 Registered: Jan-08 | Paulette NFusion get all VOD idiot read a little https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-video/580807.html Sonicview is in back of NFusion with 2 files out in only few days. NFusion ROCK!  |
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Silver Member Username: Bjcrisp6478Post Number: 260 Registered: Nov-07 | plymouth whats your tought on vs ??? think it will come back ??? thanks |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 10210 Registered: Jan-08 | xtremebj Latest news is that VS experiment few little freezings but the file is workable, the reason why they doesn't put it out is not known for now, but it will be because the court charges on leaders of Viewtech. |
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Bronze Member Username: XtremejohnjohnsonPost Number: 23 Registered: Jan-09 | I can only comment on nfusion and kbox, since I've ran both for a little bit. kbox is not freezing as it's what I mainly use to watchtv, so wanted to clear that up. The channels that are up and I don't see any freezing at all. People go on and on about kbox's picture quality, but to me it's about the same as the nfusion. I would give the kbox without a doubt many advantages. 1) kbox will eventually support standalone if N3 is broken, nfusion stopped supporting it for N2, so after years of not supporting it, there's an easy assumption 2) How nfusion treated nova users and how kbox treated hero 3) nfusion pvr is horrible, while kbox's pvr is actually pretty decent over all As far as channels, it's been mentioned that kbox had preminums, but not anymore. Kbox has more internationals and adult channels, but nfusion has some PPV (VOD) and the premium channels. I'm sure kbox is going to get the premiums back. The thing I like about nfusion is when it boots up, if there's a new bin that came out, it will ask you if you want to download it with your remote control. kbox doesn't have this feature, second kbox has implemented a way to download with the remote control, but the download isn't working, but is in the works. Right now nfusion's features/capability in that category is much better. With all that being said I would buy a kbox over an nfusion and there's a reason why dealers are 2 weeks back ordered. kbox are the hottest thing selling right now and there's a reason. If you want HD I would probably go with the sonicview over the nfusion. |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 10213 Registered: Jan-08 | James You don't give one good reason for not buy a NFusion, you talk about old Nova which is not very good at all, the Solaris offer you to record on your computer and it work fine and the picture quality is very good. Solaris support stand alone. Bad receivers must dissapear one day or the other. NFusion is always up! |
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Bronze Member Username: HardwarecrazyPost Number: 73 Registered: Dec-07 | James, you have some very valid arguments. And so are others. This thread has been very good so far and gives a good view of the plus and minus of the three receivers and will be invaluable to those who want to make a decision. Keep your arguments coming! How about support from the three fellows? Are you happy? |
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Silver Member Username: BernardmiPost Number: 599 Registered: Dec-07 | Which one offers MPEG-4 decoding ? |
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Bronze Member Username: TerebichanPost Number: 62 Registered: Nov-08 | Plymouth Nfusion can run standalone but nfusion team cannot write a bin an never do that ;-) |
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Bronze Member Username: TerebichanPost Number: 63 Registered: Nov-08 | VOD are also available on SV, if Nfusion can SonicView can do 2 times better. ;-) |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 10215 Registered: Jan-08 | Hiroyama GUCHISADA For me NFusion is a alternative solution, I will return with Viewsat if they put out the final N3 solution, the only who can work on SD MPEG4 with Captiveworks, Sonicview doesn't have a receiver ready for it. The Outer Limits NFusion Nuvenio HD PVR High Definition is MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 ready. |
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Bronze Member Username: XtremejohnjohnsonPost Number: 24 Registered: Jan-09 | Plymouth I'm not sure if your aware, but I have a nova and a solaris, so I'm familiar with what it's capable of doing. Nfusion stopped supporting standalone way way before N3. When N3 is cracked, you can be pretty sure that they aren't going to change their mind and start supporting standalone. I don't remember when they stopped supporting standalone, but it's been at least a year if not much longer. nfusion made a bad business decision when they just left nova users to hang. Why couldn't nfusion do what kbox did and give the users free upgrades or at least say 50% off or something, instead of screwing over the users. If kbox gave users free upgrade and trade ins and nfusion didn't, for me nfusion has a really bad business practice and because of this I will not support their hardware. We will all upgrade hardware eventually, when HD improves, PVR is integrated and better and better hardware comes out, we eventually all upgrade. For instance my pansat 2700 was getting television just fine, but even if it worked today I'd rather upgrade to get faster scanning, better epg, better PVR, better picture quality. They should let me decide when I need to upgrade, instead of stop supporting certain hardware. Like I said if Kbox gave their users free upgrade, then nfusion should have done the samething. There's speculation that many upset nova users are all jumping to kbox, which is why nfusion's team is working around the clock to have any many channels as possible. Now when it comes to PVR, I know the nova, solaris and kbox prodigy. The kbox without a doubt has better PVR. The PVR isn't flawless or could use some fine tuning, but the nfusion timeshift or pausing liveTV....... doesn't work. It's the difference between connecting a hard drive to the kbox and using your network and another computer for the nfusion box. I'm trying to be as far as possible, but I can't give nfusion any advantage, except they have more preminum channels right now, which I believe won't be the case in a few weeks or months. Their IKS server with integrating to download the new bins is working, which kbox is working on and the feature is there, but it's not working. I'm really trying to dig deep and say that nfusion solaris has some advantage over the kbox and I'm struggling here. Oh wait........ I do like it that nfusion has built in ethernet, which I'd just prefer to have a box that has it built in than what CNX, Sonicview and Kbox are doing with their hubs. But that's a small gripe Nfusion has an HD box, but even at that I would consider the sonicview HD. Sonicview's standalone bin was known for being up the longest, they have a great team, but I don't own one and only know a few people who own one. But since sonicview supports both IKS and standalone, I'd give the advantage to sonicview. The biggest problem with the HD from sonicview is that it costs about 100 dollars more than the nfusion. I hear that sonicview has been experiencing some freezing, which kbox doesn't do any freezing. They had some freezing on the 300 channels, but they removed those channels while they are working on improving them as well. One thing I've noticed about pansat, viewsatt, and nfusion is that they have all given dates and some have been off big time. Kbox is so quiet it seems, but i'm new to kbox myself as I haven't had one too long. |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 10218 Registered: Jan-08 | James You have many good point but since N3 is on, NFusion still have the best support with faster files out, Bev is not available on KBox, that's why for me this box is not in the competition. The futur will give us the winner. |
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Silver Member Username: BernardmiPost Number: 600 Registered: Dec-07 | Thanks info Plymouth. Expensive however ! |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 10221 Registered: Jan-08 | The Outer Limits Yes expensive but Dn SD MPEG-4 ready, King says that many receiver will not work but, what I know today is: Viewsat, Captiveworks and NFusion are ready. |
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Bronze Member Username: XtremejohnjohnsonPost Number: 25 Registered: Jan-09 | kbox has bev, just not as many as nfusion. For a long time they weren't supporting bev, but they have some bev channels. I don't point to bev and don't keep up with bev, but kbox does get some bev. |
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Platinum Member Username: NydasPost Number: 15638 Registered: Jun-06 | James Johnaenel: I am particularly interested in ZGUJ and/or TV9 Gujarati. Please check and let me know. Thanks. |
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New member Username: TurdblossomPost Number: 2 Registered: Jul-09 | The recently arrested Jung Kwak aka Ducklet is supposed to have an interest in SV & KB, so take this into consideration |
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Bronze Member Username: XtremejohnjohnsonPost Number: 26 Registered: Jan-09 | Nalin Nyda Is it on 119 or 110, it's all I'm pointing to right now |
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Platinum Member Username: NydasPost Number: 15641 Registered: Jun-06 | ZGUJ was on 118.7. May have disappaered completely TV9 is on 118.7 TP 11728 H SR 20000 FEC 7/8 Channel 807 |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 10225 Registered: Jan-08 | Nalin ZGujarati is #623 NFusion down, KBox down and Sonicview down TV9 #807 NFusion down, KBox down and Sonicview down The receiver who give more Indian channels is NFusion if we add Bev and Dn. |
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Platinum Member Username: NydasPost Number: 15642 Registered: Jun-06 | Thanks, Plymouth. |
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Silver Member Username: ChumleyPost Number: 469 Registered: Dec-08 | the only who can work on SD MPEG4 with Captiveworks, Sonicview doesn't have a receiver ready for it.  |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 10229 Registered: Jan-08 | Cumley Try to found MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 in Sonicview Spec. Nothing at all! All Sonicview are MPEG-2 SV-HD8000 * ATSC (VSB) Tuner (Samsung NIM) * QPSK Tuner (Sharp NIM) * RS232C, 3 RCA Output for CVBS Video, Audio L/R, 3 RCA Output for Composite * (Y,Pb,Pr), S-VHS Output, SPDIF Digital Audio AC3 Bitstream Output, HDTV Output * Fully Comply with ATSC HDTV (VSB) & DVB-S MPEG 2 * Decodes All ATSC HDTV Standard Video Formats Including 576i / 576p / 720p / 1080i * Down - convert HDTV to SDTV * Selectable Output Video Format : 1080i / 720p / 480p / 480i * 2 Tuners : ATSC Tuner (Sharp,NIM Type) & QPSK (Samsung, NIM Type) * USB 2.0 PVR Function Supported : 1 Channel Record & Play with an external HDD * EPG Supported, Channel Naming Supported * Full Colors & User Friendly GUI for Easy Control * Highly Speedy Channel Changing Time : Less than 1 Sec. * 6,000 Channels Memory Capacity for TV & Radio Programs * 8 Favorite Channel List Group Programmable * Channel Sorting by FTA, CAS, Satellite, Alphabetic Order & Network * Zoom In-Out Function for Watching Screen * Various Aspect Ratio with4:3, Letter Box, Full Screen & 16:9 * Background Graphic Display for Radio Program Channels * Parental Lock Function using Master PIN Code * Automatic NTSC / PAL Detection and Simple Video Converter (NTSC <-> PAL) * Blue VFD Display : 9 Character 1 Line * Real Time Clock * Low Power Consumption Supported : Less Than 5 W in Stand-By Mode * DiSEqC 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 & USALS / 22KHz Switching Control Supported * HDTV Output Connector * S/PDIF for Digital Audio AC-3 Bitstream Output * S-VHS Output Connector * Component Output with 3 RCA Jacks : Y, Pb, Pr * 3 RCA Jacks for CVBS Video & Audio L/R Output * RS232C 9-PIN Connector : Twisted Cable * PC to Set S/W Downloading using Window based Specific Program * Set to Set S/W Downloading (Main Program & Channel List Data File) * Useful Luminous Universal Remote Control Unit * 2 Year Manufacture Warranty. * Made in KOREA  |
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Platinum Member Username: NydasPost Number: 15643 Registered: Jun-06 | Plymouth: You have to watch this Chumley. She posts and ridicules to try and make you post real answers to stuff she can't answer in other forums and then goes and posts this information there. |
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Platinum Member Username: PlymouthCanada Post Number: 10232 Registered: Jan-08 | Cumley MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 is not like MPEG-4 standard but use 1 MPEG-4 channels for provide 2 SD channels Learn! |
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Bronze Member Username: Ragi48Flushing, New york Usa Post Number: 44 Registered: Jun-06 | Thanks Nalin: (Any body who can suggest!) But still I am in dark. You did not suggest to me which receiver you would buy if you were in NYC. As I mentioned I have 110, 118.7 and 119 satellite dish for DN. Please suggest to me the receiver (Kbox, Nfusion or Sonicview) to watch both local and desi channels. Right now I do not have any on Viewsat and any I get is gravy. thanks in advance |
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Gold Member Username: GregrafPost Number: 3171 Registered: Dec-07 | Chumley don"t post Nalins info on other forums because it could cause a lot of damage to many receivers. |
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Platinum Member Username: NydasPost Number: 15644 Registered: Jun-06 | Mike: For you with your needs and location , as of today, kbox with khub is best. A few more reception problems compared to nfusion but on the whole that is your buy today. Thing could change soon ad Nfusion is catching up on DN chanels and and already has BEV channels. |
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Platinum Member Username: NydasPost Number: 15645 Registered: Jun-06 | Chumley does not post Greg Ruffian's info and pictures on other forums because the Ruffian's trash is NOT allowed on other forums. |
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Platinum Member Username: NydasPost Number: 15647 Registered: Jun-06 | Chumley: I have no clue why you should post your venom, 10 minutes after I have already replied to a query. |
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Bronze Member Username: Ragi48Flushing, New york Usa Post Number: 45 Registered: Jun-06 | Nalin: Thanks for your quick and kind reply. |
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Platinum Member Username: NydasPost Number: 15652 Registered: Jun-06 | Greg Ruffian, LK's perpetual sidekick had to post!! |
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Bronze Member Username: Ragi48Flushing, New york Usa Post Number: 46 Registered: Jun-06 | Gentlemen: Could any one post the Website (s) where I can read about installing and downloading recent files for K- BOX (prodigy). I just bought a Kbox and wants to install it. thanks in advance |
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Silver Member Username: PeggPost Number: 109 Registered: Aug-06 | ftabins.net for all files to download and "how to" guide. You can also check the following link here at ecoustics: https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-video/577069.html |
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Platinum Member Username: NydasPost Number: 15659 Registered: Jun-06 | PROdigy and KHUB setup Credit goes to Hedo2002: Okay this guide is meant to address the setup of a KBox PROdigy along with the BLACK khub with the KHub logo on it. This guide is NOT applicable to the OLDER silver KHubs. 1. Connect the KBox to the coax, and power up; 2. Load the UNZIPPED bin 2.01, (or later as they are released), onto your USB; 3. Insert the USB into the port; 4. When the explorer screen appears use the remote arrow buttons to highlight the bin; 5. Press OK 6. When the bin is done loading the KBox will reboot itself; 7. Setup and scan your satellites in the menu installation dish settings menu; 8. Go to menu installation options and change Stand alone to network; 9. Set ALL AU in the same screen to OFF. 10. Plug the ethernet cable into the port on the khub; 11. Plug the khub DIRECTLY into the KBox serial port , (NO cables needed); 12. Load the UNZIPPED khub.rom file, (found in the khub activation v2.0 in the files forum), onto your USB; 13. Insert the USB into the KBox, highlight the KHUB file on the screen; 14. Push OK; 15. When the file has loaded remove the USB from KBox; 16. Using the switch on the rear of the KBOX, reboot the KBox. Tune to an ACTIVE NAG 3 channel, (CNN 200), is a safe one. Then wait a couple of minutes and tv should begin to play. |
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Bronze Member Username: Ragi48Flushing, New york Usa Post Number: 47 Registered: Jun-06 | Nalin: Thanks once again. You are an asset and it is no exaggeration. Mike |
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Silver Member Username: Mkvl1490Post Number: 183 Registered: Feb-06 | Football season is coming A lot of games is on different cities local channels Out of these 3, which is more reliable for local channels come football time Lets say for instance, WGHP - I mainly focus on that channel |
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Bronze Member Username: Ragi48Flushing, New york Usa Post Number: 48 Registered: Jun-06 | Hello Nalin again: I have just one simple question regarding internet connection to Kbox with ethernet. Can I use power line ethernet to connect since the router and computer is on the 3rd floor in the house and it is cumbersome to run an ethernet cable to the living room, hence I thought of power line connection. Do you think, if I did so, the connection would be bad or the signal quality is inferior. Kindly fill us on this. again thanks in advance |
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Platinum Member Username: NydasPost Number: 15664 Registered: Jun-06 | Direct wired internet connection - Best. Powerline adpators (plug into your home wiring at two place) - 2nd best. Wireless connection - 3rd in efficiency and reliability. Having a line of friends and children with hands locked - might work, I never tried it! |
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Bronze Member Username: XtremejohnjohnsonPost Number: 27 Registered: Jan-09 | Makaveli I don't know about nfusion or sonicview, since I don't have either hookedup, but local channels in my area are not working with kbox |
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Bronze Member Username: Ragi48Flushing, New york Usa Post Number: 49 Registered: Jun-06 | Rico: Thank you very much for the advise. It is invaluable. Thanks also to Nalin for his correct advise. |
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