15" SSA Icon VS. 15" RD Sonance V2
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Bronze Member Username: Gboo559Post Number: 35 Registered: Jan-09 | which of these 2 subs would be best for me? I'm looking for SQL. Either one will be in a 3-4 cu. ft. box. Both are about the same price $5 differential. |
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Gold Member Username: SomedonniedudeIllinois Braaap MX Post Number: 2641 Registered: May-07 | How much power total? |
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Bronze Member Username: Gboo559Post Number: 36 Registered: Jan-09 | ~1k thats what the ssa is rated for think sonance is 800 but im gonna feed either 1k |
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Bronze Member Username: Roman_noodlesBalling, Usa Usa Post Number: 27 Registered: May-09 | "The SSA (icon) sounds very good sealed but doesn't have output. It also sounds good ported but does ok for SPL @ 1100 watts. 126.9 @40Hz sealed @1100 watts/ 132.0 @ 40 Hz 1100 watts The classic Sounds excellent in a sealed box and does pretty well for sealed output. It sounds ok for ported but has very good output. 128.0 @ 46 Hz 550 watts sealed/ 131.8 @ 45 Hz 550 watts ported. I am very pleased with the results and with talking with Kent after he told me that it was right there with the best sealed box subs he has ever heard that was great to hear since that was my design Goal with the Classics. I am also very happy with the output being 128 sealed that was louder than a sub with twice the power. I was also happy with the output in the ported box a 131.8 was only 0.2 db less then another subwoofer with twice the power. We are also proud of the fact we build here in the U.S.A. So Kent basically summed up what we tell people about the Classic and that is it works great for reproducing any type of music to a T in a sealed box and gets loud doing it and for ported boxes it works very well for Rap/Hip hop with real good output with only 500 watts" https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/car-audio/363954.html I remember this from a while back when I was first on this forum. This guy did a test with the SSA Icon, RD Classic, and the Mach5 MAW. The Mach5 and Classic only had 600 rms going to them and the Icon 1100. Not much output from the Icon compared to woofers that are smaller and less power. Note this is the Classic at 500 rms rating not the Sonance. So if you are still wanting output then I'd say Sonance. |
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Bronze Member Username: Gboo559Post Number: 37 Registered: Jan-09 | well I can't get the RD anymore so it's upto the SSA Icon or the 15" RE SE. Both are 180. With the SSA I can feed it ~1K and I can give the RE SE ~650. Which would be a better choice in SQL? |
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Bronze Member Username: Roman_noodlesBalling, Usa Usa Post Number: 28 Registered: May-09 | I actually liked my RE SE alot. I gave mine a clean, and I mean clean, 900 rms with ease. They sound good and get loud. I would roll with it. |
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Silver Member Username: DenimSoundSolutionsAudio.com, MD USA Post Number: 857 Registered: Nov-06 | If you can get an Icon for 180, grab it! That "review" posted above fails to say the Icon was fresh out of the box and not even close broken in. I love how people make a big deal over sealed box SPL numbers for an SQ sub, port if if you are worried about output. |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 6718 Registered: Feb-06 | i'd go with the icon. have heard it several times and it is a very nice sub. decent output and nice sq. |
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Bronze Member Username: Gboo559Post Number: 38 Registered: Jan-09 | Okay thanks guys I'm going with the icon. But now I found a deal on 2 12" RD sonance v1s for just the same price. I can give the 12s ~1k rms. Will they get louder than the icon? I am going ported on either choice |
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Bronze Member Username: Gboo559Post Number: 39 Registered: Jan-09 | Anyone??? |
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Bronze Member Username: Roman_noodlesBalling, Usa Usa Post Number: 29 Registered: May-09 | Obviously you cant read stupid f u c k. The Mach5 and Classic were brand new out of box to. Even in ported the icon was only .2 louder. I have had the V1 Sonance and can tell you they are very good subs. Efficient like no other. I had them on a SAE-1000 and they were doing very nice. Sounded good and got loud. I can gurantee louder than icon. icon just doesn't have output to back itself. It sounds good, but nothing different from any other basic SQ sub I have played with. |
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Gold Member Username: Drant19DUB-C, TX Post Number: 1730 Registered: Aug-07 | "Obviously you cant read stupid f u c k." dude john quack GTFO |
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Silver Member Username: DenimSoundSolutionsAudio.com, MD USA Post Number: 859 Registered: Nov-06 | Classy. Keep clinging to sealed box termlab SPL figures (tenths of a db), in one person's install, we all know that is the main factor when choosing sound quality subs.  |
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Gold Member Username: 04redmach1Www.rdaudio.net, GA USA Post Number: 2579 Registered: Mar-06 | I am sure you will be very happy with the Sonance. Great SQL sub. Sounds great with great output. Kevin |
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Bronze Member Username: Roman_noodlesBalling, Usa Usa Post Number: 30 Registered: May-09 | Not just sealed but ported results too. You're trying to fight me but fact is if a sub with half the power sounds as good if not better and same output, something is wrong in the design of the icon. Nothing special about the sub, it has nothing to offer. Same vehicle, same amp, different ohm loads.2 ohm 600 rms with mach5 and rd, 1 ohm 1100 with icon. If you are going to make a 1000 rms sub, it should at least give some output. The rd classic is a SQ sub. In this comparison and I know many hate me but will agree the classic is a better sub in this comparison. OP just get 2 classics  |
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Silver Member Username: DenimSoundSolutionsAudio.com, MD USA Post Number: 860 Registered: Nov-06 | You're trying to fight me but fact is if a sub with half the power sounds as good if not better and same output Sound is totally subjective and dependent on the install. And still, that was one single install, and again you keep wanting to define selection criteria of a sound quality sub woofer by output levels. That is flat out the wrong way to do it, but if you want to keep thinking that way, make sure you pick an IA Warden over the DDZ because it sounds better.  something is wrong in the design of the icon. This is a woefully incorrect statement because in one person's install, a sound quality sub did not put up a bigger number then another sound quality sub. Very flawed reasoning. Nothing special about the sub, it has nothing to offer. Never said it was some special sub, but is has plenty to offer. There are plenty video's on YouTube that clearly show, they have plenty of output when called upon. If you are going to make a 1000 rms sub, it should at least give some output Yes, because we know power handling equates to output of course. And to the original poster, if you are worried about more output, a pair of 12's should always be louder then a single one, based on just cone surface alone, so get the pair. |
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Bronze Member Username: Roman_noodlesBalling, Usa Usa Post Number: 33 Registered: May-09 | lol |
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Bronze Member Username: Roman_noodlesBalling, Usa Usa Post Number: 34 Registered: May-09 | You are right, power doesn't mean anything compared to output. Guess when I install that IA Warden it isn't going to do much compared to my 187. You are stupid You obviously are the one who picked the parts for the icon. |
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Silver Member Username: DenimSoundSolutionsAudio.com, MD USA Post Number: 861 Registered: Nov-06 | You are right, power doesn't mean anything compared to output. Guess when I install that IA Warden it isn't going to do much compared to my 187. Since you are the all knowing speaker designer, please tell us exactly how a power handling ratting equates to output. I can't wait to see this one, all of ecoustics is going to learn. Make sure you throw some more name calling in there to attempt to prove your point, especially since you know the design of the speakers at hand so well. Again to the OP, get the pair of drivers you found for the same price. |
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Bronze Member Username: Roman_noodlesBalling, Usa Usa Post Number: 35 Registered: May-09 | I don't have a sub, you do. So now you open me to my questions to you. What grade magnet do you use? My guess with such a low BL is probably smaller than Y-20. (I highly doubt you know what it is in the first place) Next, you use triple stack magnets for a cheap way out. Small top plate and back plate with triple stack hurts your design by far. (I wil explain myself in next post after goob respondes to this. Sense you have been responding so fast) |
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Silver Member Username: DenimSoundSolutionsAudio.com, MD USA Post Number: 863 Registered: Nov-06 | don't have a sub, you do. So now you open me to my questions to you. Excellent work avoiding the question that could have saved any point you were trying to prove. What grade magnet do you use? My guess with such a low BL is probably smaller than Y-20. (I highly doubt you know what it is in the first place) Funny you bring up a subject from another topic on here which was already explained to be essentially irrelevant, but since you asked Y-35 grade on all our drivers. Nice try. Next, you use triple stack magnets for a cheap way out. Small top plate and back plate with triple stack hurts your design by far. I love how you know so well the cost/benefit analysis of our speakers goals. Size of top plate and amount and size of slugs is dependent on the design of the driver. For this particular model, the possible tiny gain of a much more expensive larger diameter single slug, with very tall back plate design, was not the best choice to go. Not worth pricing a driver right out right out of the segment for very little performance gains if any, especially for a small speaker company with low margins. But again, since you know our drivers so well, what in the world am I thinking. Feel free to answer the original question, and thank you for the term of endearment.  |
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Silver Member Username: TeamrevolutionATLANTA, GA USA Post Number: 637 Registered: May-07 | denim you should send you icon in to the 15" challange. That they could be tested side by side. I don't know to much about the icon at all so i can not give you a this or that is better but i can post what the sonance can do. This year they are in a couple vehicles prior sound quality champions. I hope for them to take a SQ championship this year. They sound excellent and in the correct box they offer a pretty flat reponse and excellent f3's. They are very musical. If you take the 15" and put it in 3.33 cubes and tune it to 38hz with 35sq inches of port opening your f3 will be approx 28hz. So between 28-55hz you will be within 3 db. The output was proven over and over in the past year. 0-600 pro stock with two 12" sonance = 158.3 0-600 pro stock with six 12" sonance = 160.9 db 601-1800 prostock six 12" sonance 162.3 db we have a several guys steet beating over a 155db with 4-6 sonance subwoofers. The output is proven the dual 2 ohm version offers a 8 layer flat wind 55mm tall coil, has a triple joint re enforcment ring. The sonance is our best sub for the perfect mix of sq and spl. |
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Silver Member Username: TeamrevolutionATLANTA, GA USA Post Number: 638 Registered: May-07 | hey john quak please do not stick up for my products if you are going to be so disrespectful. It is childish and not cool how you come off to people on some of these threads. |
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Silver Member Username: TeamrevolutionATLANTA, GA USA Post Number: 639 Registered: May-07 | denim honestly i wouldnt respond to anything that john quak has to say. He is obviously just trying to down your product and no matter what you say he will just have some other stupid remark to make. |
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Bronze Member Username: Roman_noodlesBalling, Usa Usa Post Number: 36 Registered: May-09 | If you say so denim. I call BS on Y-35. No way in h3ll they are Y-35. Everything you say in your last post is BS. I can prove my statements with lack of output. Now prove you use Y-35. I guess I could call Scott and ask him myself. |
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Silver Member Username: TeamrevolutionATLANTA, GA USA Post Number: 641 Registered: May-07 | y-35 magnets alone do not control the bl of a subwoofer. The top plate and t-yoke have alot to do with it. The larger the gap the lower the bl will be even with y-35 magnets. |
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Bronze Member Username: Roman_noodlesBalling, Usa Usa Post Number: 37 Registered: May-09 | With such a huge pole vent and lack of metals, it doesn't help. Using copper coils helps with BL but this sub still lacks. They use triple stack magnets to help with linear movement and use a flat back plate. Cheap way out and horrible design. Not much there. |
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Gold Member Username: Drant19DUB-C, TX Post Number: 1733 Registered: Aug-07 | john quack, if you know soo much about speakers and their parts, why dont you build your own 15" and send it into the 15 Challenge and teach everyone a lesson about manufacturing subwoofers. It should come out in first place in every catagory, right? Cause you're so smart! |
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Bronze Member Username: Roman_noodlesBalling, Usa Usa Post Number: 38 Registered: May-09 | Not a bad idea. |
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Gold Member Username: Drant19DUB-C, TX Post Number: 1734 Registered: Aug-07 | then get to it. pics too |
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Bronze Member Username: Roman_noodlesBalling, Usa Usa Post Number: 39 Registered: May-09 | Takes more than few days to do it |
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Gold Member Username: JkidderWorlds gunna end, In 2012 Post Number: 4133 Registered: Nov-05 | wow, kids these days. john quack is such a hater! |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rI compensate... Post Number: 9353 Registered: Jul-06 | Haha, just about anyone can get some parts together and throw together there own LOOK-A-LIKE sub. It may even perform comparably. It's how most and many of these companies roll. They're selling "their" sub with their logo on it and that's about it, not much difference. Look into window companies, they do the exact same thing. 1 company will actually make the same window for 10 different brands and put different stickers on it. |
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