Fi. vs. Re
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 31 Registered: Oct-08 | Hey I'm looking at a new system for my 96 Cutlass. I'm looking at 1 15" Fi Btl, or 2 12" Fi Btl or 1 Re XXX. I need opinions on what would be the loudest and best SQ setup? Also Cheapest considering what I need to power the subs, and also I want a setup where I dont need to do to much to the electrical system. I am fading toward the Fi's. |
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 32 Registered: Oct-08 | I really need an opinion on which subs to buy and what to power them with and what electrical uprades I would have to do! Thank you |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Philadelphia, PA Post Number: 9849 Registered: Jul-06 | Fi Q is what you need. BTLs are not for SQ, those are SPL subs. RE XXX is one of the best SQ subs ever but the good ones are no longer produced. |
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Gold Member Username: TejcurrentPost Number: 1720 Registered: Apr-07 | BTLs will need the a lot of electrical upgrades. I would go with 2 qs from the way you say you want SQ. Others can suggest some amps. What's your budget look like for everything- including electrical upgrades? |
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Bronze Member Username: Caesar1212Brandon, Fl Post Number: 20 Registered: Feb-09 | isnt it true that re is a brother company of fi or vice versa? if so then why is re so much more expensive? |
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 33 Registered: Oct-08 | Hey, If I got 2 Fi Q's will they pound pretty hard, Because I am looking for something that will pound crazy! And If I did get the two what would I need to power them both with? And yes they are brother companies. |
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Gold Member Username: TejcurrentPost Number: 1724 Registered: Apr-07 | Re was built originally by a guy named Scott and a partner . They sold the company to us amps who then jacked the prices up. Scott then started Fi. He keeps fi products out of stores and cuts overhead, while re is now sort of a big brand. |
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 34 Registered: Oct-08 | Well Im looking either, 2 12" Fi Q's or 1 12" Re XXX. I want a mix of great sound quality and SPL, which setup you suggest? |
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 35 Registered: Oct-08 | I was just looking into the subs, and heard alot about tinsel slap and spider problems. And also people said more to go towards the BL cause it still has great Quality but pounds alot harder than the Q's but I have no idea. I dont know these subs very well. Also any other makes of subs that pound hard and still have good SQ. Ill spend around $1200 on subs, so I'm looking for something big! |
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 36 Registered: Oct-08 | Also I seen Soundstream XXX 15" 2 for $1000. I seen there 8500 watt. So that means big amps and big electrical upgrades right? |
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Bronze Member Username: TerraPost Number: 25 Registered: Feb-09 | The C-D Omega was designed to be basically a BTL that sounds good. Reviews say it achieved that. www.cascade-designs.com |
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Gold Member Username: TejcurrentPost Number: 1725 Registered: Apr-07 | That's peak not rms ratings. Two bls are sounding a lot more like what you're looking for. How much are you willing to spend on amps and charging upgrades? Even 2000 watts should really have an upgraded alternator and extra battery imo. |
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 37 Registered: Oct-08 | Well right now I can get a great deal on Soundstream XXX 6500 amp and 15" Soundstream XXX sub for $1200 but I have no experience in this make. My Budget is like $3000 for everything |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Philadelphia, PA Post Number: 9855 Registered: Jul-06 | " heard alot about tinsel slap and spider problems. " That was true when Fi first started out. The subs have been redesigned since to eliminate those problems. The BL will give you more SPL with a little less SQ. The Q gives you awesome SQ with better low end. Soundstream is not very good BTW. |
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 38 Registered: Oct-08 | You recommend the 2 12" BL's than? If so what should I power them with, Im looking at a Hifonics Brutus 2000 watt for $300. How's that sound? |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Philadelphia, PA Post Number: 9858 Registered: Jul-06 | I run Qs because I like SQ systems. You have to decide if you want more SQ and low end or more SPL. Hifonics amp are overrated, do not do claimed power and qualitys not great either. I would get an Audioque 2200d for the amp. |
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 39 Registered: Oct-08 | See I'm looking for Great SQ but I also want lots of SPL, Iv'e owned a 12" Type X and a 10" Jl W7 and Im looking for twice the SPL. I know nothing abotu Fi, will two Q's powered right destroy the w7 and Type X in SQ and SPL? |
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Gold Member Username: SomedonniedudeIllinois Braaap MX Post Number: 2363 Registered: May-07 | What vehicle is this going into? |
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 40 Registered: Oct-08 | It's going in a 94-97 cutlass supreme |
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 41 Registered: Oct-08 | I was also looking into Memphis Audio, how are their subs and amps? |
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Gold Member Username: Hittin1TEAM REVOLUTIONLake Charles... Post Number: 2553 Registered: May-07 | Memphis subs are not very good imo... with a $ 3000 budget, There are plenty of options including what you are looking into. 3-12" RD Sonances. on a RD 3250 would sound great and get loud. They only need 1.25-1.5 cu. ft each. They broke a few world records in the lanes last year. If you get D2 v.c., run em at 1.34 ohm load.. shound still have plenty of money left over for everything else. |
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 42 Registered: Oct-08 | I've never heard of them, and the biggest problem is trying to find those subs up here in Canada. Running those 3 subs with that amp, would I need lots of electrical upgrades? |
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Bronze Member Username: TerraPost Number: 30 Registered: Feb-09 | Cascade is 2 hours from Canada |
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 43 Registered: Oct-08 | So 2 12" Cascade Omegas would have good SPL and SQ? If so what should I power them with? |
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Gold Member Username: MendonmafiaUSA Post Number: 1722 Registered: Aug-06 | how much electrical do you want to upgrade? 1200 rms is the limit for stock electrical in most cases. |
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 44 Registered: Oct-08 | Heres what I'm thinking. Either 2 12" Cascade Omega or 1 15" 2 12" Fi BL or Q or 1 15" Give me an opinion which sub setup I should do, and what I should power them with. Don't worry bout the electrical. I just want crazy SPL and still good SQ |
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Gold Member Username: Snowball123West Allis, WI Post Number: 2259 Registered: Oct-07 | you have to worry about the electrical though. arent the omegas rated at 2000 each, so that's 4000. you cant run 4k on stock electrical. |
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Gold Member Username: Hittin1TEAM REVOLUTIONLake Charles... Post Number: 2559 Registered: May-07 | https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/car-audio/529460.html www.rdaudio.net Kevin Holden or Steve Miller (owner)can get you a good price. or look around and find some used equipment. http://www.caraudio.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6 http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/forum/index.php |
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 45 Registered: Oct-08 | So you say RD's are that good? And you recommend 3 12" Sonace's? Any other good model? If not what should I power them with? |
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Gold Member Username: Hittin1TEAM REVOLUTIONLake Charles... Post Number: 2561 Registered: May-07 | 2-12" alpha V.2 would wang |
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Gold Member Username: Hittin1TEAM REVOLUTIONLake Charles... Post Number: 2562 Registered: May-07 | rd3250 at .5 ohm if you got charging upgrades done |
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Gold Member Username: Hittin1TEAM REVOLUTIONLake Charles... Post Number: 2563 Registered: May-07 | along with many other good companies. |
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 46 Registered: Oct-08 | So two alpha V.2 powered by the RD3250 would wang? What upgrades would need done? H/O alt? The Big 3 obviously, what else? What db's am i looking at here? just to give me an idea. I know its hard to judge, but just an idea. |
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Gold Member Username: Snowball123West Allis, WI Post Number: 2260 Registered: Oct-07 | cant tell, its about the install. but youd probably need a H/O alt and I'd suggest 2 good batteries. It's not cheap man. |
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 47 Registered: Oct-08 | Two just normal 12v batteries? Let's say I have the H/O alt and two batteries I also have a kinetik cap. and I had the two alphas powered by the 3250. Is that enough to pound awseome? I think im going to put them in a sealed for that extra SQ or do you recommend ported? |
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Gold Member Username: Snowball123West Allis, WI Post Number: 2262 Registered: Oct-07 | I wouldnt suggest just walmart batteries. Maybe a kinetik HC1800 up front and an HC2400 in the back. And dont use a capacitor. I'd also port the alphas if you're looking for SPL, they should still sound good SQ wise ported also. |
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 48 Registered: Oct-08 | Ok. I think My setup will be two alphas in a ported box tuned around 40hz?? Powered by a 3250 with the Kintetik cells, 0 gauge wiring with a H/0 alt. Anything else to add? And does that sound like a good setup? |
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Gold Member Username: Snowball123West Allis, WI Post Number: 2263 Registered: Oct-07 | no, tune lower than 40. go in the 32-34 range. |
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 49 Registered: Oct-08 | Ok, wasn't 100% sure. I had a 12" type X last sub and tuned a box for it to around there and it sounded sooooo clean and rumbled fairly nice. So these will absolutly kill it right? And is that a good setup? |
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Gold Member Username: TejcurrentPost Number: 1726 Registered: Apr-07 | For batteries if by normal you mean 2 d3100 from powermaster or kinetik 2400s or something along those lines then yes, a normal 12v battery. I'd save the money for a capacitor and add more wire or battery. The vehicle and how good an enclosure you build will effect the way it sounds too much to predict how it will sound. Why not build a sealed box and if it's not loud enough go ported. It sounds like you want it loud and should just go ported anyway. |
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Gold Member Username: FrkkevinTeam DLSSuperNatural... Post Number: 6265 Registered: Nov-05 | find some 04/05 mode RE XXXs.. |
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Gold Member Username: FrkkevinTeam DLSSuperNatural... Post Number: 6266 Registered: Nov-05 | model* |
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Silver Member Username: DenimSoundSolutionsAudio.com, MD USA Post Number: 845 Registered: Nov-06 | Since this topic was originally about Fi and RE, if you had to choose between the two, the engineer that did all the great drivers for RE sold it and has moved on to start Fi. RE has since moved build houses and I believe has gone over seas. |
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 50 Registered: Oct-08 | I can get a 15" Fi Q for $290 so I think I may do that for now. Will I get good SPL and SQ if I put that in a ported enclosure? |
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Diamond Member Username: BestmankindPost Number: 23244 Registered: Oct-05 | good choice. yes in a ported you will get good output and clean sound. you will get good output in a sealed as well. |
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Gold Member Username: FrkkevinTeam DLSSuperNatural... Post Number: 6270 Registered: Nov-05 | you can probably find a used 04/05 XXX 15" for $50-$60 more.. I've not had a Fi sub really impress me yet.. |
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 51 Registered: Oct-08 | Would you say 2 12" 04/05 XXX or 1 15"? |
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Diamond Member Username: BestmankindPost Number: 23246 Registered: Oct-05 | i heard 2 15" xxx and it was nice. but the fi q sounded just as nice imo. |
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 52 Registered: Oct-08 | If I got 2 15" in either XXX or Fi Q would I be able to fit them in a 96 Cutlass trunk? |
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Gold Member Username: FrkkevinTeam DLSSuperNatural... Post Number: 6271 Registered: Nov-05 | good lucking finding the 12s tho.. i'd just get two 15s if you can afford it and power them.. worst comes to worse seal them.. then youll have room |
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 53 Registered: Oct-08 | Ok, so you recommend the 04/05 XXX in 15s. Two of those in a sealed would pound and sound great! What should I power them with? |
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Diamond Member Username: BestmankindPost Number: 23247 Registered: Oct-05 | yes. get yourself a nice 3000wrms amp and you are all set. you can put more power than that if you want. just make sure you have a good charging system. |
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Bronze Member Username: PoundhardhehPalmerston, Ontario Canada Post Number: 54 Registered: Oct-08 | Ok, My setup will be two 15" RE XXX older model powered by whatever I find (any suggestions) Thank you to everyone for the help! |
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Diamond Member Username: BestmankindPost Number: 23249 Registered: Oct-05 | mmats d3500.1 that is assuming you get 2 xxx that are dual 1ohm. if you happen to get 2 that are dual 2ohm then you can get the mmats d3500.05. that is amp that i would use. i am sure others will have different ideas. |
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Gold Member Username: FrkkevinTeam DLSSuperNatural... Post Number: 6275 Registered: Nov-05 | could always go with strapped aq 1200ds or saz1500ds |
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