6.5" Speaker Questions
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New member Username: DanhPost Number: 1 Registered: Jan-08 | I'm going to be replacing my 4 Polks with something better in a few months and I need to know what to look for. I don't want to spend more than $200 a pair and they need to be coaxial because I don't have a spot for the tweeters. I will also be buying a 4 channel amp as well so please take that into consideration. I've looked around and I like the JL Audio TR and VR series, and the Infinity Kappa 62.7 were OK. I've heard excellent things about MB Quart, but I haven't heard any of them around here. What other brands should I look at? Are Memphis or Pioneer Audio worth looking at? Any ideas you can give would be appreciated. |
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Gold Member Username: Bnd_rulezPhoenix, AZ USA Post Number: 1204 Registered: Mar-05 | 4 speakers? You'd be better off just buying 1 good set and powering them properly because it will sound better. As far as the tweeter goes, I am in the same boat as you. I don't want to cut up my doors again. I was looking at CDT braxials because they are a component set but the tweeter is mounted to the mid. Check them out at http://www.cdtaudio.com/braxialadvantages.htm I have heard nothing but great reviews for CDT and they can be had for about $200. Slap a good powering amp on em and they will sing better then 4 speakers. Just my thoughts. If that doesn't suit you, I would stick with the JL or maybe some Alpines as Infinity is not that great. |
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New member Username: DanhPost Number: 2 Registered: Jan-08 | Well, there's two speakers up front and two on the rear deck. Those are what I'll be replacing. Has anyone heard anything good about the Pioneer Premiers at all? And what would be a good 4 channel amp? |
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Gold Member Username: Bnd_rulezPhoenix, AZ USA Post Number: 1211 Registered: Mar-05 | Take a look at this http://www.glasswolf.net/caraudio/rearfill.html Rear speakers are not really ideal, they only detract from the front soundstage. The Pioneers aren't anything special. If you want good coaxials the JL will probably be your best bet. |
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Silver Member Username: Basebalz13Moneta, Va Usa Post Number: 233 Registered: Aug-07 | PG rsds6.5's FTW |
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Silver Member Username: MrsqCalifornia Post Number: 159 Registered: May-06 | yes i think the premier has some best sq like the ts-c701prs components, but heres what i have from kenwoods emotional series which is only out in japan, the sound produces lifelike sound as if you have band playing in front of you, detail and clarity is great, this is the K- eso1 series |
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New member Username: DanhPost Number: 3 Registered: Jan-08 | So even with my front speakers buried in the floor boards, things will sound better with a nice pair of coax up front and pair of midrange drivers in back? |
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Silver Member Username: Drant19DUB-C, TX Post Number: 231 Registered: Aug-07 | get a good set of components for the front. if you really want something in the rear deck then get some simple 2way coax's. get an amp tho, it will sound like night and day! a lot of people on here will say just scratch the rear speakers. if you want to go that route, you can get some good quality comps and a 2channel amp for them. your never hear the speakers in the rear anyway. all the sound should be coming infront of you |
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Gold Member Username: Bnd_rulezPhoenix, AZ USA Post Number: 1218 Registered: Mar-05 | A set of speakers with 150w in front of you is better than 2 sets with 75w surrounding you. As for the Pioneers, he was talking about coaxials, and Pioneers coaxials aren't anything special. |
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Silver Member Username: Drant19DUB-C, TX Post Number: 234 Registered: Aug-07 | pioneer premier ts-720prs are great sounding comps! i heard a set with 75rms going to them and they were loud, crisp, and great midbass. "A set of speakers with 150w in front of you is better than 2 sets with 75w surrounding you" x2 |
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Bronze Member Username: ZesterGardena , California Post Number: 30 Registered: Jan-08 | a nice set of components will do it and dont forget atleast a 2 channel amp 50watts x2 at 4ohms rms, to get a clean sound, |
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Silver Member Username: MrsqCalifornia Post Number: 163 Registered: May-06 | components are the best package, if you want frontstaging, forget the rear |
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Silver Member Username: Drant19DUB-C, TX Post Number: 253 Registered: Aug-07 | if you want a good 2channel amp for cheap. look for a kicker refurb on ebay! may not look new, but it will perform new and comes with a birthsheet  |
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New member Username: DanhPost Number: 4 Registered: Jan-08 | I would like to thank all of you for the help. I do have one other question: Would you consider CDT Speakers (namely the CL-EX6 or CL-61EV) equivalent to the Focal speakers close to the same type or better? I know they want a bit more power than them, but do they give a better sound? |
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Silver Member Username: Drant19DUB-C, TX Post Number: 264 Registered: Aug-07 | there are some CDT dealers. Exige and AlterAudio. they would be more than qualified to answer any questions you have about those specific speakers. they might even know something in the same price range that will be better. i suggest making a new thread like "CDT SPEAKERS" or something that will catch their eye. just my .02 |
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Silver Member Username: MrsqCalifornia Post Number: 167 Registered: May-06 | my comps are one of the best out thier and thats the truth, its the k-eso1 series, check this out bro |
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Silver Member Username: Drant19DUB-C, TX Post Number: 268 Registered: Aug-07 | "my comps are one of the best out thier and thats the truth"  |
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New member Username: DanhPost Number: 7 Registered: Jan-08 | Back onto the CDT question, are the convertible component speakers better sounding than their regular coaxial? |
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Gold Member Username: Bnd_rulezPhoenix, AZ USA Post Number: 1269 Registered: Mar-05 | Components > coaxial. Plain and simple. |
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New member Username: DanhPost Number: 8 Registered: Jan-08 | The bit that isn't sinking into my head is why are component speakers from the same line (for instance JL Audio TR component vs. TR coaxial) are better than the coax. Besides the fact that you can take them out later and put them into another car that has separate tweeters and such, how is it are they better? Is it the crossover bit? And if so, how are components better than coaxial with crossovers (like the JL XR series)? |
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Bronze Member Username: ExigePost Number: 74 Registered: Nov-07 | Because in a coaxial, the tweeter is mounted essentially IN the cone of the midrange. It's a major disturbance speaker as a whole. It messes up the response of the speaker. Secondly, by mounting the tweeter at your feet or where ever the speaker is mounted...and having no ability to aim it (15 degrees of adjustment does not count)....the tweeter location flat out sucks....typically it's firing straight into the passenger footwell, nowhere near your ears. Being able to aim the tweeter to create the best soundstage for your acoustic environment is what makes a component set great. The crossover issue mentioned with regards to the JL XR is a non-issue if the crossovers are the same. With regards to convertible vs. coaxial and CDT....I have a different recommendation..braxial. Braxial allows for a bracket that the tweeter mounts. What this does is it takes the tweeter out of the midrange's cone....significantly helping the midrange's sound. Beyond that, it allows for better aiming abilities than a convertible or coaxial. If your car is like mine, a small coupe with speaker mounting location close to the mid-section of the door... then the tweeter mounted near the midrange is not a bad thing at all...it's one of the more optimal point available for MY specific acoustic environment. Everyone's acoustic environments in their car is different though. Component with separate tweeter location typically offers the best response. Braxial is typically a convenience thing. I'm one of the lucky ones where it combines convenience and optimal response. |
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Bronze Member Username: ExigePost Number: 75 Registered: Nov-07 | It should be noted that its not optimal to aim the tweeters right at your ears. A statement in my previous post read differently than I intended for it to. |
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New member Username: DanhPost Number: 9 Registered: Jan-08 | So in your opinion, how much better do the CL-61CV series sound over the CL-6EX? And do both of those pale in comparison to the Braxial or the HD-63? |
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New member Username: DanhPost Number: 10 Registered: Jan-08 | Here's a worry I have with the Braxials: How deep are they and will the fit in front speaker mounts for a 95 Honda Civic? Anyone know where to find such information? |
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Bronze Member Username: ExigePost Number: 76 Registered: Nov-07 | pesonally i wouldnt even look at the CL line..seems like you have the funds to step it up to the EF line...that's what i would do if i were you. HD>EF>CL I cant even remember if we discussed proper soundstage or not yet but rear speakers can color the sound in a very negative way. I typically suggest forgoing the rear speakers and spending twice as much on the fronts. You'll hear the effects of that in a much more positive way. With the braxial stuff...it's not a matter of depth. If you're worried about depth, you simply have to look at the mounting depth of the midrange driver...that's what your mounting depth is gonna be. This is what the braxial setup looks like if you've never seen it before: [img]http://cdtaudio.com/cdt_new_0107/M6-brax..jpg[/img] |
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Bronze Member Username: ExigePost Number: 77 Registered: Nov-07 |  |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 11 Registered: Jan-08 | It's not so much the mounting depth I'm worried about on the Braxials, it's getting the speaker cover back over it when it's installed. All of the installed pictures I've seen of the Braxials are all uncovered. |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Northwest PA Post Number: 5800 Registered: Jul-06 | msrq: Your speakers are not the best out there, they're kenwoods. Stop posting them in every damn speaker thread. What other speakers have you heard to compare them to. Do tell us, I'd really like to know. |
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Silver Member Username: MrsqCalifornia Post Number: 196 Registered: May-06 | ok i can compare it to ts-c720prs premier, and mb quarts, focal,, see this is what happens one forum is so stuck with a certain speakers like cdt, when some1 talks about it and say its good then every1 else is gonna go with the flow even though most of them has never even heard how it sounds like and thats the cdt, you M.S. , you dont like kens because of bad experience, and so other people talks negative about it but you have to know one thing, this k-eso1 is different from all the comps that they made, listen to it first then you can judge, peace |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Northwest PA Post Number: 5810 Registered: Jul-06 | When I say the CDTs are one of the best out there at their price, thats from a LOT of first hand experience, as I run a set in my own vehicle. I also praise other brands that I've heard and was impressed by, like rainbow, diamond, focal, etc. I will say this: I've never heard that specific set. But judging from everything else I've seen from kenwood, I'm skeptical of them. |
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Silver Member Username: MrsqCalifornia Post Number: 197 Registered: May-06 | ok i respect that, my bad |
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Bronze Member Username: ExigePost Number: 81 Registered: Nov-07 | i normally don't join in company bashings...but to let truth be told..kenwood's gotta prove themselves first. they make some decent head units...some of their high end excelon stuff was really nice. but their amps have constantly overheated on me (had a 9102 a while back along with an 840-somethin...4 channel is all i remember). the reason that no one hear is takin you seriously about this is simply because kenwood hasn't put out a serious SQ speaker or sub before. we're not sayin they can't...they just simply havent. considering that the speakers you mention of are available only in japan or somethin...whatever you mentioned earlier...it just makes it harder to grasp. i'm happy to give kenwood a chance...its just that up to this point they havent proven themselves. if they can build a solid product, then awesome. i'd appreciate some more mainstream companies building decent stuff. seems like alpine and pioneer are the only 2 doin it these days (JL of course also). we simply need to get a first hand listen to the k-eso 1's. it's very possible that they could be as good as you say..but we just need to hear them. there's no offense meant to you in any way at all. |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 12 Registered: Jan-08 | And marching further into "The Retards Guide to Car Audio," what is the difference between the EF-63 (What is the EF series anyway? I didn't see it on the CDT website), the HD-63, and the HD-63Z (or ES-630 since it's around the same price)? Since we're also in my general idiots guide, how do the upper JL Audio offerings like the XR-650CXi and the C5-650X sound in comparison to the lower TR series, the CDT speakers above, and even the two Focal types of coax? |
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Bronze Member Username: ExigePost Number: 82 Registered: Nov-07 | k this has the possibility of being a really long answer so ill try to make it as brief as possible. EF is a division of the CL series....regardless of the notation, it really is worthy of its own level though. it's a significant step up over the CL series. it's denoted as CL-EF on the CDT website (by the way...all who find the CDT website absolutely worthless, feel free to send a short email to info@cdtaudio.com ...we've (as in some of the dealers) have been trying to get the site revamped for a while but its gonna take customer input as well...it surely needs a thorough makeover) So EF is mid-line CDT, HD is upper line, ES is top line. I really wish woofersetc.com didn't exist at times because they throw so many questions into customers heads about what's current. half the stuff on their site is NOT current product...the ES-630 being one of those. The ES-62i is the current top of the line CDT set, and was an upgrade over the ES-620. Every step up is gonna provide better sound all around. Better midbass, better midrange, better treble. I can't compare the JL line for you as I haven't personally done a comparison of their whole line. Lastly, difference between Focal and CDT has been established so I won't rehash that. I will not compare coaxial to component. They're on two separate levels. The difference between the two has also already been detailed in the Focal vs. CDT thread. |
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Silver Member Username: MrsqCalifornia Post Number: 201 Registered: May-06 | Exige Audio, i understand where you coming from, yes kenwood has to prove themselves, too bad its only out in japan, you know to be honest with yall, i was realy never a fan of kens stuff, but my uncle that is residing their just happens to buy me the k-eso1 comps for my bday and i was happy offcourse,its a gift, so i gave it a try and most of my audiophile friends was astonish with the sq, i mean its not the best, i just happend to experience it and like to pass the news, and by the way i have much respect with the CDT speakers, those are magical sq set. |
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New member Username: TheperryWorthing, Sussex United Kingdom Post Number: 1 Registered: Jan-08 | heyy ive got thloudest 400watts 6.5inch front speakers in my fiat punto. fitted them and everythin and then 2days later theyve both stopped working as the same time any ideas? |
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New member Username: TheperryWorthing, Sussex United Kingdom Post Number: 2 Registered: Jan-08 | ohh and im not runnin them with an amp |
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Bronze Member Username: ExigePost Number: 84 Registered: Nov-07 | thomas plz make a new thread listing type of speakers, how they're run, what aftermarket equipment is being used...etc. this thread has already become full of off topic stuff....lets keep the clutter out. |
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New member Username: TheperryWorthing, Sussex United Kingdom Post Number: 3 Registered: Jan-08 | 6.5" 2way co-axoial speakers, i have just done a str8 swap for the orginal door speakers thinking this would b ok so they r jst running straight off the head unit. |
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Bronze Member Username: ExigePost Number: 87 Registered: Nov-07 | thomas check your wiring and your head unit. if that doesnt work...plz dont post about this issue in this thread anymore. please make a new thread like i asked you to before. this thread is about choosing new components and has already been cluttered with information that has no pertinence to the original poster's search for new speakers. |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 13 Registered: Jan-08 | Well, I did send in an email to CDT and got a reply back from John at CDT support saying that they're planning to start a redesign in February. At least it's something. He was also nice enough to run down some things about the speaker line as well. Is it worth it in my case if I buy an HD-63 to upgrade to the SX1000 crossover as well or is that just a waste of money? Are there any recommended amplifiers to use with the HD line? Can they get by with just 150 watts RMS or do they really need the 180 watts to sound right? |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 14 Registered: Jan-08 | Also, which would be the better (and cheaper) route to go: Buying the HD-63 braxial or buying the ES-6 driver and the Braxial upgrade kit? Advantage/Disadvantages are appreciated. |
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Bronze Member Username: ExigePost Number: 96 Registered: Nov-07 | The HD and ES lines are two things first of all. HD is high end CDT, ES is competition grade and has a 10-year warranty. 560i is enough for most people, SX1000 is gonna give you a lot of extra controls if you're into fine-tuning and such. HD can get by with 150w. Typically I recommend around 200 or so for them though. The most economical but sturdy 2-channel amp I've found for that power is the Elemental Designs Nine.2x. There's many higher end amps available as well. Alpine's PDX 2.150 typically births at 175x2...that's a real nice amp also. On the budget side, RF's P550.2 is available for $200 from crutchfield right now. That'll do around 175x2 or a lil more also. It's almost always less expensive to buy the braxial setup all at once than to buy an HD-62 set and then get the braxial mount. Glad to hear about the website...man I couldn't even get an answer about timing for a re-design when I asked a week or two ago. Looks like they're finally getting the point. |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 17 Registered: Jan-08 | Has anyone here ever heard of a company called Hertz? They're owned by the same people that own Audison and seem to sound pretty good. Anyone here have any experience with them? |
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Silver Member Username: ExigePost Number: 104 Registered: Nov-07 | haven't used them, but heard of them. the cones on their drivers are a bit different. im hoping to get some hands on time with them soon. way too pricey for me though....just like the rest of the imported stuff. high import fees=huge price tags. |
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Bronze Member Username: AmishRiverside, CA Post Number: 31 Registered: Jan-08 | I'm sure it's been said already (I didn't read through the entire post) but by all means take all your money and invest in one set of great comps for the front. Front stage is all that matters. Running speakers in the rear takes away from the realism. When you watch a concert the musicians are up front right? Thats where the music should come from. If it were my system I would buy one great set for the front stage, remove the rear stage completely, and still invest in a 4 channel amp. Then as money permits I would buy another set of the same comps and kick panels for the front floor boards. Then you will have one awesome and powerful front stage. You'll need a good sub to keep up... |
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Bronze Member Username: MsgtpogiNJ Post Number: 19 Registered: Jan-08 | I have a pair of Memphis Audio MSYNC8 (8" components with the tweeter being adaptable for component or coax mounting). On paper, it looked like a great solution for my situation but it is a mid-fi product at best. It has decent sound but not audiophile stuff. It's cheaper than Focal 6.5" coax but the performance comes up way short in SQ. |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 21 Registered: Jan-08 | Has anyone heard any of the newer "Built in Germany" MB Quart speakers? I've seen some really good deals on them and for that kind of money, I can add a subwoofer to my system. The models in question are the PVF 216 and the RVF 216. |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 23 Registered: Jan-08 | Also, after depressing myself trying to navigate the CDT website, does anyone have dimensions for the EF-63 braxial kit (like the mounting depth, etc...)? |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Northwest PA Post Number: 6237 Registered: Jul-06 | http://www.cdtaudio.com/midbass_drivers.htm |
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Silver Member Username: ExigePost Number: 125 Registered: Nov-07 | it'll be the same mounting depth as the EF-6 driver. Unfortunately, I can't access the CDT site right now. My server is not connecting with CDT's site, my site, or CNN for some very strange reason....yet i can still post here lol. off the top of my head, i think it's 2.5". as soon as my internet is back up all the way, i'll look through and get full specs for you. are you looking for the basic EF-6 driver or an EF-6CF (carbon fiber)? in the future, if you're looking for any info from the CDT site...just PM me or email me. i'll dig it up and get back to you ASAP. i've tried to memorize where everything is on that mess of a website so i should be able to find it pretty quick. |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 24 Registered: Jan-08 | So is size the only thing different from the EF-6 and the EF-6 NEO? And can a braxial kit be added to the latter? |
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Bronze Member Username: EwokFairbanks, Alaska U.S.A. Post Number: 62 Registered: Jan-08 | anybody heard of bang and olufsen car speakers? |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 25 Registered: Jan-08 | They're quite excellent in the recent models they've put in the Audi A4/A5, but I've never heard of them selling speakers separately. |
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Bronze Member Username: EwokFairbanks, Alaska U.S.A. Post Number: 64 Registered: Jan-08 | so your familiar about them, cool, yes they do sell speakers separately, i heard its headquarter is in bristol south coast california, and denmark |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 26 Registered: Jan-08 | Do you have a website where I can see the car speakers available because I can't find them on the B&O website? |
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Silver Member Username: ExigePost Number: 128 Registered: Nov-07 | B&O does not sell component sets ewok. They make home audio speakers and such, but all car audio systems are factory systems for Audi's. Check their website man. |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 28 Registered: Jan-08 | And pretty soon they'll be making speakers for Aston Martin as well. So how do the CDT coaxial speakers sound? I noticed the slim fit ones are EF speakers. Are they still better than the CL series? Also, are two amped 6.5" midrange drivers a good substitute for no going with a shallow mount subwoofer (like an 8")? |
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Silver Member Username: ExigePost Number: 129 Registered: Nov-07 | Yep Aston Martin shortly also. Coaxials are coaxials. That's as simple as I can put out. They're a matter of convenience. Sure they sound fine....but from any company...the only reason they exist is simply for convenience. By all means, components are recommended. If you're not using a subwoofer, my recommendation would be to grab a pair of M6+'s or ES-06+'s and throw 150w to them, and use those as your 6.5" driver of a component set. If you haven't seen a pair before, this is what they look like (notice the large surround, just like a sub): [img]http://cdtaudio.com/cdt_new_0107/M6+-white.gif[/img] CDT's description from the site is as follows: "HD-M6+ and ES-06+ are the most exceptional drivers in the mid-size range. This speaker delivers subwoofer bass and reference quality midrange at the same time. The ES-06+ is an amazing work of art in speaker design. The dome and cone vibrations are combined with rare precision to get synergetic results. Most subwoofers have a midrange performance that can color the sound even considering the low crossovers often used. The ES-06+ can be used as a small pure sub or as a mid/woofer with top results. The trade off is that the sensitivity must be slightly lower as is characteristic of subwoofers in general due to the heavy construction of the moving parts that simply take more power to move and which can also move further. Again the trade-off is against dynamics but here one speaker replaces two and in a small car can deliver." |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 29 Registered: Jan-08 | I was reading around eBay and found this at the authorized CDT Store: http://cgi.ebay.com/5-1-4-EF53NEO-CDT-Audio-Braxial-Component-System-NEW_W0QQite mZ150190639413QQihZ005QQcategoryZ32818QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m1 53.l1262 Is that actually a production model and does that come in a 6.5? Also, do you lose any sound quality in the EF NEO instead of going with the full sized EF? |
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Silver Member Username: ExigePost Number: 130 Registered: Nov-07 | EF Neo simply changes to a neodymium motor to shave mounting depth. Sound quality is the same. It's available in a 6.5. I really don't know what's up with that auction....CDT doesn't make a TW-26 tweeter so that's a load of BS right there. And to put the 480 into terms.....I don't sell it unless people request it....standard crossover is the 560 in my sets. I think we were talking about the HD and ES lines a short while ago? I probably missed EF coming back up... But anyways..if you're still interested in the HD and ES stuff, you'll be interested to know theres a new 6.5" mid coming out shortly. It uses an inverted neo motor. What I'm talking about is below. It might be of more interest to you. <img> |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 30 Registered: Jan-08 | It was the EF and HD lines. ES is out of my budget and I don't want to get into a situation where my sound system is worth more than my car. Are those going to be offered in a braxial or just as a midwoofer? What kind of RMS load do they need? And is there a braxial model with the EF Neos since my doors and my rears are kind of thin? |
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Silver Member Username: ExigePost Number: 131 Registered: Nov-07 | Understandable, just wanted to get on the same page as you. This will be just a driver, no braxial.....not really physically possible to make it braxial. If braxial is a must, HD is the way to go. If braxial AND slim is a must, EF is the way to go. EF Neo is not standard with braxial. It can be modded to use braxial (just drill two tiny holes in the frame)....but its not standard as braxial |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 31 Registered: Jan-08 | Would a pair of ES-6NEO be a good replacement for a subwoofer, or is it just a better idea to get a sub? Does CDT make a shallow mount sub? And do you know what the MSRP for the ES-6NEO drivers are? |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 32 Registered: Jan-08 | Would a pair of ES-6NEO be a good replacement for a subwoofer, or is it just a better idea to get a sub? Does CDT make a shallow mount sub? And do you know what the MSRP for the ES-6NEO drivers are? |
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Gold Member Username: Bnd_rulezPhoenix, AZ USA Post Number: 1522 Registered: Mar-05 | I would get a some nice mids, and a sub. Mid woofers just don't cut it. There are tons of slim subs out there that are cheap. Even a 10" with 300-400 watts would work nice. |
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Silver Member Username: ExigePost Number: 133 Registered: Nov-07 | No they're not a replacement for a sub. CDT has not listed MSRP yet, but I will find out very shortly. No shallow-mount subs, but the subs that CDT has do not require much airspace at all. The HD-8 takes as little as .2 cubic ft.....it's like building a box just so that it follows the edges of the sub's basket...it's tiny. http://cdtaudio.com/longexcursionsubs.htm Mounting depth on the HD-8 is less than 4.5". For a 12, it needs .7 cu ft and mounting depth is just over 6". |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 33 Registered: Jan-08 | What is the benefit (other than weight savings) to the Carbon Fiber subwoofer over the comparable model? Also, MMXExpress has a version of the EF-63 braxial that's made from Carbon Fiber: http://www.mmxpress.com/cdtaudio/efseries.html |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 34 Registered: Jan-08 | Here's the direct link: http://www.mainstreet-audio.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code= EF-63&Category_Code=BRAXIAL |
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Silver Member Username: ExigePost Number: 134 Registered: Nov-07 | You talkin about the EF-8 Carbon Fiber sub? If so, that's not a current product that CDT makes anymore. Some stores might still carry it, but it's not up to date. The subs out right now are strictly the EF, HD, & ES Gold lines. None of those are carbon fiber. In the EF component sets though...CF has a much larger effect than just being more lightweight. It's a better all around driver, it's a highly upgraded model over the standard EF-6 driver. Better midbass and midrange, plus it can get louder. If you're looking for an EF set, aim for the EF-61CFi/25 set....EF-6CF mids, 560i crossover, TW-25 tweeter. |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 35 Registered: Jan-08 | It seems now it's down to budget since I had to repair my car after this last ice storm over here. In case I need to go the cheap route, how are the Alpine Type X Reference Comps? They come with a tweeter bridge so I can use them. Are they better or worse than the CDT coax? |
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Silver Member Username: ExigePost Number: 137 Registered: Nov-07 | Alpine Type X is a high end component set. Coax's are coax's as we've discussed. Between the two, go with Alpine. How cheap are you getting the Type X's? |
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Bronze Member Username: EwokFairbanks, Alaska U.S.A. Post Number: 71 Registered: Jan-08 | its seems to me that your not gonna spend less, your still aiming for high cost, |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 36 Registered: Jan-08 | I've found the Type X Reference for around $160-180. The Type X Pros are double that and out of my budget (and it doesn't come with a tweeter bridge). Are the Type X as power hungry as the Type Rs? I've like the sound of the Rs but they needed quite a bit of power to get that way. Is it the same with the Type X or is 70 watt RMS just fine? Between speakers, sub, and amp, it'll probably cash in at $600 before labor, and I'm still not sure if I'm going to buy a sub or not. Since I'm also going to sound dampen my doors, that adds a bit more as well. |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 37 Registered: Jan-08 | How do the Type X Reference compare to the EF-63 Braxial? |
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Silver Member Username: ExigePost Number: 139 Registered: Nov-07 | i can't speak for the new Type-X Ref's as I haven't heard them yet....they're pretty new. beyond that, everyone's ears are different. |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 38 Registered: Jan-08 | It also looks like if I go with a CDT Braxial, it'll probably have to be a 5.25" with a mounting ring in order for it to fit. |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 39 Registered: Jan-08 | How are the midbass response from the various CDT speakers mentioned in this thread (assuming the doors are deadened)? Their frequency response looks a little high in the 70 hz range. |
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Silver Member Username: ExigePost Number: 142 Registered: Nov-07 | man i got lost in this thread a while back. just list the individual ones you're wondering about. |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 40 Registered: Jan-08 | The EF and HD Braxial. |
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Silver Member Username: ExigePost Number: 147 Registered: Nov-07 | they're both very decent. HD>EF...as you would expect. M6 is king for midbass though (among regular drivers - M6+ is the dictator but it needs a sealed enclosure, or one hell of a well-deadened door). |
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Bronze Member Username: DanhPost Number: 41 Registered: Jan-08 | Would they be better or worse than the Alpine Type X you've heard? |
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