H/o alt and still no bump
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Silver Member Username: EvoixmrPost Number: 129 Registered: Aug-07 | Ive got a zx2500.1 powering 2 12" Q's at 2 ohms. The voltage drop that happens when the bass hits was causing amp clipping .I installed a 170amp alt and the voltage still drops before the subs even get loud. I've read that kicker amps draw alot of current and do not perform well if not being fed exactly 14.4v. Could this be the amp or will a 170amp alt not power a 2500w system. |
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Gold Member Username: Livin_loudDo Work Fi Audio Post Number: 2202 Registered: Jan-06 | you need good battery to put out that kind of power. upgrading the big 3 is also a must. how low of a drop are you seeing? also what is your gain set at? |
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Silver Member Username: TornPost Number: 525 Registered: Jan-07 | To me M.S always answers these and he says if you got good alt you don't need a extra batt, does that include a working batt and not as good/expensive one? M.S you there? haha |
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Silver Member Username: Nickyp0219Post Number: 613 Registered: Jun-06 | sorry man i dont mean to jack your thread, but this will probably help you cause in all liklihood your going to have to do the same thing... can someone give me the link for a good 0 gauge wire to upgrade my big 3, i was searching around and is knukonceptz my best bet? Thanks, i think i found someone who can do it cheap for me since i dont know my as_s from my elbow under a car hood lol |
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Platinum Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 13537 Registered: Jun-06 | I'll hook you up Nicky. Let me know how much you need.  |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 7932 Registered: Jun-04 | your looking at 175 amp amps of draw for 2000 watts with an amp thats 80% efficient and at idle your alt puts out less amperage...not to mention the amperage it takes to run the basics your vehicle needs while running |
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Platinum Member Username: BestmankindLos Angeles, CA Post Number: 18147 Registered: Oct-05 | true sean. but he is saying the voltage drops alot before the sub even starts to get loud. i am thinking he needs to find a better ground or his alt isn't doing what its suppose to. |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 7935 Registered: Jun-04 | your right chad ...I was thinking that everything was ok with the alt and the wiring was ok but either of those things could be the issue...I was also thinking one persons version of loud could be different than another |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Northwest PA Post Number: 6142 Registered: Jul-06 | Ok, did you upgrade the big 3 when you installed the HO alt. You MUST do that NO EXCEPTIONS. If you don't it can cause damage, and the problem youre having. Also you're electrical system will never hold 14.4 volts exactly Now, a 170 amp alt is not all that big, and may not be enough to run a 2500w system at full tilt. |
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Silver Member Username: Nickyp0219Post Number: 615 Registered: Jun-06 | Paul - how many feet do you think for a mitsubishi eclipse (2001 if it matters)... its a smaller car |
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Platinum Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 13540 Registered: Jun-06 | 17' is the standard length. $45 shipped and I'll throw in some other wire for kicks. For my gizmo connection lol. |
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Silver Member Username: Nickyp0219Post Number: 620 Registered: Jun-06 | lol thanks Paul, consider it sold if you are willing to wait a couple weeks...need to save some money... being Valentines Day in a couple, so im a little tight on the wad lol but thanks for the deal and lemme know Signor Larrea |
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Silver Member Username: EvoixmrPost Number: 130 Registered: Aug-07 | "how low of a drop are you seeing? also what is your gain set at?" The voltage drops below 11v. The amps gains are tured 1/4 the way up which is like 63v~1000w or something, this is only half the rms of the subs if I turn the gains up to match the subs rms I cant even turn my subs on without clipping. Before they get loud meaning that standing outside the car with all windows down you hear absolutly nothing "Also you're electrical system will never hold 14.4 volts exactly Now, a 170 amp alt is not all that big, and may not be enough to run a 2500w system at full tilt." I know that a 170a alt will mathmaically only power around 1700w minus th cars needs. but my system is not at full tilt the gains are set at half the rms of the subs. As far as the big 3 I'm runnng two 4 gauge runs fom the alt., and two 4 gauge runs grounding the batt., still trying to figure out where the engine/transmition ground is. I dont want extra batts in the trunk, and this is the highest amp alt made for my vehicle. Are kicker amps that power hungry and wont run on less than 14.4, would I be better off with another brand 2000w amp, or is 2000w just far to muh power for my vehicle? |
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Bronze Member Username: Bass_enjoyerPost Number: 18 Registered: Jun-07 | "still trying to figure out where the engine/transmition ground is" You're power is only as good as it's weakest link. Without doing the third of the big 3 it's almost as if you've done nothing. Try to find that engine block -> chassis ground. I also think 0 gauge is better than two runs of 4 gauge, but I could be wrong. Good luck. |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Northwest PA Post Number: 6143 Registered: Jul-06 | ^^^^ exactly right except 2 4 gauge wires is fine Kicker amps efficiencey is average, you probably wouldn't notice a difference with a different amp. |
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Gold Member Username: Snarl2004Digital Design 9515, Massive Audi... Post Number: 2080 Registered: Dec-06 | in my truck i bought a 220 amp alt to power my P3000.1 (about 2700rms) and my voltage still dropped and the amp was basicly being a b!tch (it would cut out when the power went below 12.4volts) so i bought a Kinetic HC2400 and ive never had drops lower then 12.9 sence then. I would not run a kicker 2500.1 off a 170 amp alt unless you have a spair batt in the back. Car audio batts are dry cell anyway so you dont have to worry about spillage or fuses or anything like that and they can be mounted in any possition so nothing bad happens from them. BTW what kind of car do you have? |
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Gold Member Username: Snarl2004Digital Design 9515, Massive Audi... Post Number: 2081 Registered: Dec-06 | "worry about spillage or fuses or anything" ^^^that was sposed to say fumes not fuses |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Northwest PA Post Number: 6150 Registered: Jul-06 | You don't need multiple batteries........ replacing your battery with a good car audio one would be nice though, not really required. You need to get that ground wire in there, your HO alt and other big 3 wires are essentially useless without it. |
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Gold Member Username: Snarl2004Digital Design 9515, Massive Audi... Post Number: 2087 Registered: Dec-06 | "You don't need multiple batteries........ replacing your battery with a good car audio one would be nice though, not really required." true im just saying for me a 2nd battery did wonders "You need to get that ground wire in there, your HO alt and other big 3 wires are essentially useless without it." x2 |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Northwest PA Post Number: 6154 Registered: Jul-06 | What alternator do you have? If its stock get ready for it to go....... extra battery power will keep everything running longer but 3000w = death to stock alt eventually. |
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Gold Member Username: Snarl2004Digital Design 9515, Massive Audi... Post Number: 2088 Registered: Dec-06 | he bought a 170 |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Northwest PA Post Number: 6166 Registered: Jul-06 | Haha no I meant you....... |
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Gold Member Username: Snarl2004Digital Design 9515, Massive Audi... Post Number: 2095 Registered: Dec-06 | oh lol i have a 180idle/220max |
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Silver Member Username: EvoixmrPost Number: 131 Registered: Aug-07 | ^^180idle thats insane who made the alt. I will work on finishing the big three and see if that helps. I drive a 06 mitsu evo ix mr |
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Silver Member Username: Nickyp0219Post Number: 641 Registered: Jun-06 | nice car, one of my favorites other than the sti |
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Silver Member Username: MarcoooPost Number: 372 Registered: Mar-07 | Hey Paul I'm doing the big 3 soon and need some 0 gauge. How much would I need for a 03 Ford Escape? Got the money on hand, can't wait to see the eD wire, if that's what it is? |
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Gold Member Username: Snarl2004Digital Design 9515, Massive Audi... Post Number: 2115 Registered: Dec-06 | iraggi and my bad its 175/220 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/220amp-Amputator-Series-Iraggi-Alternator-Chevy-G MC_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el1262QQcategoryZ33573QQihZ018QQitemZ 7963120240 item # 7963120240 |
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Silver Member Username: EvoixmrPost Number: 132 Registered: Aug-07 | nice, mines only 70/170 I've looked everywhere and cant find nothing on a engine => chassis ground to finish the 3, will this stuff work instead? http://www.sunautomobile.com/products_hyperground.htm |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Northwest PA Post Number: 6191 Registered: Jul-06 | Umm dude, you make a cable....... just like the other big 3 cables. |
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