why dont yall just clone the sons of bit<h's and be done with it.. have enough people doin it youll only pay a couple $$ a month.... ive been doin it for years and not a problem. we pay 2 dollars per month and get every channel other than ppv and that is solved pretty simply too...we have 17 people with tha sam CAM ID# and i love it... well have fun tryin to crack the case sherlock...