Are TCAB boxes worth the money
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Silver Member Username: Ceoofdaroc4Post Number: 315 Registered: Mar-07 | I got a quote for 2 sd2.5 and it was 275 so a box for RD elites will prolly be more is it worth since I've never actually listened 2 one of those boxes. |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 2631 Registered: Jul-06 | Do some research Dwight  I've never hear a bad review about a TCAB box.Everyone that has one loves them and claim they're very loud boxes. |
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Bronze Member Username: MrogowskiPost Number: 31 Registered: May-07 | Hi Dwight, I have not dealt with them directly, but have read *a lot* of feedback on the company. From what I understand, they make very good quality product but delivering said product is sketchy at best. Many have reported sending money and not received anything. Personally, for that price, you could get something custom built for you locally. I'd scope things out in your area before committing to an Internet purchase. Best, Mark |
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Silver Member Username: Ceoofdaroc4Post Number: 316 Registered: Mar-07 | Ok guess ill hit up logan is any1 on hear better than logan for a dual 12" box |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 2632 Registered: Jul-06 | "Hi Dwight, I have not dealt with them directly, but have read *a lot* of feedback on the company. From what I understand, they make very good quality product but delivering said product is sketchy at best. Many have reported sending money and not received anything. Personally, for that price, you could get something custom built for you locally. I'd scope things out in your area before committing to an Internet purchase. Best, Mark" That has all been cleared up a long time ago.Dwight if you want a better box than logan has to offer go with a TCAB. |
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Platinum Member Username: BestmankindLos Angeles, CA USA Post Number: 12891 Registered: Oct-05 | tcab>>>>>>>>> logan |
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Silver Member Username: Waterboy2289Georgia, DiRtY SoUtH ... 2 18 SX w/ ... Post Number: 430 Registered: Jan-06 | From what I have been told, the TCAB boxes are just bass reflexes. They are very well built and are of great quality. But if you wan't to go beyond a bass reflex, you should get in contact with Pete of TTB. http://www.teamtoxicbass.com/design/index.htm |
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Silver Member Username: Ceoofdaroc4Post Number: 317 Registered: Mar-07 | Ok I guess ill go with tcab then... back and forth back and forth lol... ill listen 2 chad's opion since he's the man around here... |
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Silver Member Username: Ceoofdaroc4Post Number: 318 Registered: Mar-07 | Ok I guess ill go with tcab then... back and forth back and forth lol... ill listen 2 chad's opion since he's the man around here... and what the hell are bass reflexes what's better? I want the loudest box for street bass. |
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Silver Member Username: Waterboy2289Georgia, DiRtY SoUtH ... 2 18 SX w/ ... Post Number: 432 Registered: Jan-06 | TTB > TCAB > Logan Any of the above options would be good. It just depends on how much you want to spend and what you want to accomplish. |
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Bronze Member Username: MrogowskiPost Number: 32 Registered: May-07 | "That has all been cleared up a long time ago.Dwight if you want a better box than logan has to offer go with a TCAB." That's good to know. |
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Silver Member Username: Ceoofdaroc4Post Number: 319 Registered: Mar-07 | Any1 got a ballpark price for a dula 12" spl box from ttb? I'm not buy a cpu or I wud get a price quote had 2 say tht b4 1 of the d!cks say some smart azz stuff |
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Bronze Member Username: Technique24Post Number: 51 Registered: Jul-06 | So are those tcab boxes just if you're looking for spl? |
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Bronze Member Username: Bjfish11Garden Plain, KS USA Post Number: 81 Registered: Dec-06 | Dwight, I would be more than happy to give you a quote if you are interested. |
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Gold Member Username: CenusHicksville, Ohio Post Number: 3161 Registered: Jan-05 | this has been asked many times before its all about personal preference, IMHO i say its not worth it, i'd rather spend $100 on supplys and build the box myself, and save $200, im not saying his boxes are bad cause there not there very good quality but i can't see spend $300 on a box when you could make one yourself for under half. and IMO TTB>tcab. |
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Silver Member Username: Ceoofdaroc4Post Number: 321 Registered: Mar-07 | Sure fish |
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Bronze Member Username: Bjfish11Garden Plain, KS USA Post Number: 83 Registered: Dec-06 | Pm has been sent |
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Gold Member Username: DrivingrecklessDD 9515f, 147.8 db Mov... Post Number: 3440 Registered: Apr-06 | TTB FTMFW! |
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Bronze Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 16 Registered: Oct-06 | fishercustoms owns tcab. you couldn't give me a tcab box. their quality pales in comparison to fisher's work. TTB would be my second choice, if one can't build himself... wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Gold Member Username: Logan__tilleLos Angeles, CA USA Post Number: 7332 Registered: Feb-06 | https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/for-sale/354718.html |
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Silver Member Username: DenimWww.TeamSSAudio.com, MD Post Number: 242 Registered: Nov-06 | Guess what... Building one your self + the satisfaction of learning on your own > paying someone else too much money. Fisher makes great products, I have seen a few. Great option if you don't want to put out the time and effort to learn on your own. |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 2633 Registered: Jul-06 | "Building one your self + the satisfaction of learning on your own > paying someone else too much money." True enough but sometimes people lack the skill or the tools/resources.I'd build my new box that I want but living in an apartment doesn't allow for much space for tools or working on things like a box,especially the size of the box I'm going to need so I'll have to look into a box builder to do the dirty work for me. |
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Platinum Member Username: BestmankindLos Angeles, CA USA Post Number: 12892 Registered: Oct-05 | rofl logan. sorry man. |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 2834 Registered: Jan-06 | I have a couple of Mr. Potts boxes and I am extremely happy with them. They are not just boxes but boxes backed up by years of carpentry, pretty sure his father taught him everything he knows not to mention all the field work he has and constantly is doing while competing. You can say ya I build boxes, damn pretty ones to, BUT do you build boxes that work and win national championships?! I will take a box that is extremely loud and sounds good over a pretty box with alot of fluff any day of the week. Matter of fact my last box Mark built was just assembled no finishing touches. Polo..  |
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Silver Member Username: DenimWww.TeamSSAudio.com, MD Post Number: 245 Registered: Nov-06 | Rob, I wish I still had pictures of the first boxes I built. They were leaky, tuned wrong, and none of the cuts were straight. But I built another and another, thats how I learned. I have so much more to learn and so many more boxes to build. If I can build one at college, while living on campus, anyone can. |
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Gold Member Username: Logan__tilleLos Angeles, CA USA Post Number: 7338 Registered: Feb-06 | Tcab > Logan > TTB |
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Bronze Member Username: MrogowskiPost Number: 37 Registered: May-07 | "Rob, I wish I still had pictures of the first boxes I built. They were leaky, tuned wrong, and none of the cuts were straight. But I built another and another, thats how I learned. I have so much more to learn and so many more boxes to build. If I can build one at college, while living on campus, anyone can." You're darn rights you do! The updated SPL driver is on the way so you better have a box ready for it!  |
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Gold Member Username: Tdeaton1021Near Tampa, Florida USA Post Number: 4267 Registered: Sep-04 | that was a joke right chad? lol IMO logan is not in this race (no offense logan) i dont know enough about fishers boxes yet so i can't speak for them. but IMO TTB is the leader. so much knowledge its insane. any type of bandpass, bass reflex, t line, t box, horn, w/e he matches to your situation and nails it on the head. mark does a great job as well but he can't do everything pete can. I think it's somewhat to do with HT. its alot more complicated, and pete has perfected it where I think mark has no interest. HT techniques can then be used in CA by substituting the car for a small room.... If you took the time to frequent his forum I think you would agree. |
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Bronze Member Username: BreakdownPost Number: 11 Registered: May-07 | ttb is very overstated and passes off simple designs to be magical. also he has many customers believing they have horns when they don't at many frequencies |
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Gold Member Username: BernymacCambodian Post Number: 2749 Registered: Sep-04 | Chad, you have it wrong. Remember its Chad Geary > the rest. |
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Platinum Member Username: BestmankindLos Angeles, CA USA Post Number: 12898 Registered: Oct-05 | hahahaha nice berny. |
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Gold Member Username: Tdeaton1021Near Tampa, Florida USA Post Number: 4269 Registered: Sep-04 | Harold.....lol simple?.... do you know how many people on this forum can design ANY of the following.... T-line, t-box, front horn, rear horn, 4th 6th or 8th order BP, or phase box? almost none. making a daily setup consisting of 2 8s hitting 143 isnt too easy and the same 2 8s hitting 149.8 i think it was in his SPL alligned hellboy. His work is no joke. |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 2635 Registered: Jul-06 | "Rob, I wish I still had pictures of the first boxes I built. They were leaky, tuned wrong, and none of the cuts were straight. But I built another and another, thats how I learned. I have so much more to learn and so many more boxes to build. If I can build one at college, while living on campus, anyone can." WRONG.I don't think I'm going to use any form of saw in my apartment,that'd be stupid.Even if get the wood cut for me by the local hardware store I'd still need a jigsaw or something similar to cut sub mounts.Now I need clamps for the box,a place to keep it while drying(Glue and resin(If applicable)) and I have no space for that.I don't think building a box in my apartment would be a good idea at all.Oh and like I mentioned some people are not handy,some people have no idea to even measure things,some people just aren't made for carpentry or building things in any way.Don't even say that everyone can learn because some people are helpless  |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3IF U HEAR ME... crazydbs.com Post Number: 4957 Registered: Feb-06 | i personnally talked with mark to built me a sq box and he did the sq its incredible on my tcab box the design its super good the built quiality tis great... plus here inchicago i have like 5 friends with tcab boxes and all of them totally say its worth it some of hem keeps buying new boxes. i said get a tcab box i have one myslef and i luv it |
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Gold Member Username: Logan__tilleLos Angeles, CA USA Post Number: 7339 Registered: Feb-06 | Have you ever noticed that TTB does not post TL Results about there boxes on there site?  |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 2638 Registered: Jul-06 | "Have you ever noticed that TTB does not post TL Results about there boxes on there site? " That's because the numbers are so high they wouldn't fit on there. |
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Gold Member Username: Logan__tilleLos Angeles, CA USA Post Number: 7341 Registered: Feb-06 | ^^^^^LMFAO PFFTT |
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Platinum Member Username: BestmankindLos Angeles, CA USA Post Number: 12902 Registered: Oct-05 | change your fukking name logan. lol |
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Silver Member Username: Ceoofdaroc4Post Number: 322 Registered: Mar-07 | Ttb looks mad expensive ima go with fishercustoms.com thy are affordable and there boxes look very nice thy don't use mdf either check out there site and read what thy have... any 1 ever tried thm? |
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Gold Member Username: Tdeaton1021Near Tampa, Florida USA Post Number: 4270 Registered: Sep-04 | Pete has posted number of his personal boxes. other boxes are for other cars how is he suposed to meter them? however, some people do get them metered and post them on his forum. but as you should know, a TL number doesnt state how loud your system is. Ive seen so many 150 ish systems not sound as loud as 145s. also, pete will build you a high number system upon request. that is all, thanks. |
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Silver Member Username: Ceoofdaroc4Post Number: 324 Registered: Mar-07 | Does any1 kno about fishercustoms.com? |
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Bronze Member Username: Bjfish11Garden Plain, KS USA Post Number: 90 Registered: Dec-06 | I do!!! |
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Silver Member Username: Mike11202DE US Post Number: 564 Registered: Nov-06 | ill try fishercustoms out and do a review/videos/pictures.. do u have aim? if not whats ur e-mail? |
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Silver Member Username: Ceoofdaroc4Post Number: 325 Registered: Mar-07 | Hey whats up fisher do u have aim so we can tlk if not my email is MJ23dynasty@tmail.com if u have aim my screen name is CEOofdaROC4 jus make an account of something if u don't. |
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Bronze Member Username: Bjfish11Garden Plain, KS USA Post Number: 93 Registered: Dec-06 | dl aim as we speak. Ill hit you up in a few mins. |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 2837 Registered: Jan-06 | Hey Trevor, most of us wouldn't run them types of boxes anyways, not to music friendly, lol. Polo.. |
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Bronze Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 17 Registered: Oct-06 | i wonder why none of mark's boxes have won in dbdrag world finals? pete's (TTB) has. and winning in meca?? lmao, they think that is so hard. greg mccool is proving otherwise. he took his dbdrag setup, without any adjustments, and smacked meca around. and what about all those tcab customers who didn't recieve their box? or the ones who thought they were mdf, but they were particle board? and paid $3-400 for it? and just because one's father is a carpenter doesn't add years to one's own experience. if that's the case. i have well over 100 years at it, as i was taught by both my grandfather and father. and while i'm good, i pale in comparision to the work those two have done. and fisher's stuff is more then looks. that is solid build quality. i have yet to see anyone, anywhere complain about his work. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 2839 Registered: Jan-06 | "and fisher's stuff is more then looks. that is solid build quality. i have yet to see anyone, anywhere complain about his work." Dude I looked at his boxes, they are plain and outdated! Nobody said they were bad or badly built they look good, just old designs, late 90's maybe? Polo.. |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 2649 Registered: Jul-06 | "and what about all those tcab customers who didn't recieve their box?" That was all cleared up.There was rough times for TCAB but sh1t probably gets a little out of control when a 19 year old is running a business. |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 2840 Registered: Jan-06 | http://www.fishercustoms.com/enclosures.html Look here, they aren't that bad but they look like any others, seem more stylish built by Driving, and that is sating something, lmfao...Polo. PS- Like I said before thay are more targeted for the non-critical type of person, probably the same people who would buy a prefab. (16-20 yr) |
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Silver Member Username: Ceoofdaroc4Post Number: 329 Registered: Mar-07 | So ur saying I'm better of going with tcab |
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Gold Member Username: Tdeaton1021Near Tampa, Florida USA Post Number: 4271 Registered: Sep-04 | polo, horns and transmission lines when designed correctly are more musical than anything you've had in your car. BP as well. |
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Bronze Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 20 Registered: Oct-06 | yeah, fisher's boxes look like everybody's homebuilt custom boxes. typical sealed or bass reflex designs. ok. i agree with that polo. but that's exactly what most people want. i'm sure if they want an "advanced" design, fisher can build it. maybe not design it, but build it. outdated? lol, then pretty much everything not FG is outdated, and hell, that's old too. rob...it's cleared up? news to me. so i guess he refunded all those customers? built new boxes for the ones who thought they were getting mdf? though i'll agree that maybe he was immature, especially the way he handled himself when sh1t hit the fan. regardless, his boxes haven't proven themselves anywhere other then chicago/meca. and like i previously mentioned, greg mccool went to meca just to toy around and set world records. no tcab in that explorer. let tcab do something in street a or c in dbdrag. then i'll quit talking. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Silver Member Username: Ceoofdaroc4Post Number: 330 Registered: Mar-07 | Some 1 explain this horns and transmissions type of boxes 2 me I dnt kno what thy r ? |
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Bronze Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 21 Registered: Oct-06 | dwight..your better off NOT buying tcab. go fisher, or TTB. fisher if your on a budget and want a quality, proven (timeless) design. TTB if you can spend a bit more and want "advanced technolgy" pm fisher, i'm sure if you want a solid, yet fancy box, he'll build it. dude has got skills. as does TTB. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 2650 Registered: Jul-06 | "rob...it's cleared up? news to me. so i guess he refunded all those customers?" Well for some reason the person pursuing legal action stopped. I personally never heard about the particle board boxes though,link me up Kent,I'd like to look into that. |
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Bronze Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 23 Registered: Oct-06 | rob...that means surfing through all the sh1t at ca.com, lol... might take a few minutes, but i'll try and dig some stuff up bro. dwight...www.quarterwave.com that'll help explain horn and TL enclosures... wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Bronze Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 24 Registered: Oct-06 | rob...that means surfing through all the sh1t at ca.com, lol... might take a few minutes, but i'll try and dig some stuff up bro. dwight...www.quarter-wave.com that'll help explain horn and TL enclosures... wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Platinum Member Username: Chaunb3400Huntsville, Alabama U.S. Post Number: 12272 Registered: Jul-05 | best idea so far...just buy them all see which one you like the best and sale the others... |
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Bronze Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 25 Registered: Oct-06 | http://forum.realmofexcursion.com/showthread.php?s=070e2b35b5c7491037c448604e9db f70&t=23804&page=11 ^^ ordered a box march of this year, one month later, no box, no communication.... http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=127829&highlight=particle+board ^^^even shows a pic of his particle board(looks like OSB to me) box. the lighter/cheaper comments make me laugh. http://forum.realmofexcursion.com/showthread.php?t=25566 ^^^ still no tcab box..lol http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=226190&page=4&highlight=tcab ^^ lol, mark copied his new TCAB design from snoopdan. (might have to scroll down to see the pics.) just a few. seems like not everything is cleared up? tcab FTL wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Bronze Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 26 Registered: Oct-06 | sorry for the double post above... dwight..use quarter-wave.com wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Silver Member Username: Ceoofdaroc4Post Number: 334 Registered: Mar-07 | I think I'm going 2 go with fisher frm the looks of his site and tlking 2 him he seems a bit more professional... what kinda box should I get guys I want loud azz spl but I want 2 hit lows I mean real lows tht hurt ur brain lol... tht damn site doesn't work quarter wave |
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Silver Member Username: Ceoofdaroc4Post Number: 335 Registered: Mar-07 | I think I'm going 2 go with fisher frm the looks of his site and tlking 2 him he seems a bit more professional... what kinda box should I get guys I want loud azz spl but I want 2 hit lows I mean real lows tht hurt ur brain lol... tht damn site doesn't work quarter wave |
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Bronze Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 29 Registered: Oct-06 | www.quarter-wave.com i had a typo, sorry. you'll wanted ported, tuning in the 32-36hz range. that will give you the ability to drop (transient function of a car is a beautiful thing)insanely low and still throw up nice numbers on a mic wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Gold Member Username: J_baby15DiRtY 5oUtH ... Post Number: 1808 Registered: Feb-06 | as far as particle board goes for mark....im not sure what kind he uses but u can get sum at most places that are cheaper than MDF and alot stronger/lighter than MDF. These are used for subflooring in houses mainly, adn i don't see y that would b a problem in boxes..Im not sure bout the density of it tho. TCAB and TTB are both great boxes. TTB does wonders, TCAB = very nice boxes also. |
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Bronze Member Username: Bjfish11Garden Plain, KS USA Post Number: 99 Registered: Dec-06 | Polo, I have been following this thread from my phone at work, and I have laughed at several comments you have made about my work. First off, you would be surprised at the age of my customers. 16-20 year olds? I would say at LEAST 75% of my customers are above that age. I have done probably around 6-10 boxes for guys over the age of 30. Also, I didnt know someone invented a new ported box design. Last time I checked, a ported box is a pretty basic design. Can I add, two tone carpeting? Amp racks? Cut out logos? Flared ports? You bet ya. Check out my Box build thread. Its something a little out of the ordinary. What I do, is build exactly what my customer wants. 90% want a basic ported box. Why? Because its cost effective. They get a great box, for a reasonable price. Custom work, is time. Time=money. I have very many repeat customers. Whys that? A lot of guys like to try new equipment, constantly changing their setups. So they dont want to spend extra money on something that wont change the performance. Im not going to even touch on Marks business ethics. I dont work like that. BUT, I can tell you about me... Are my boxes proven to be as loud as Marks, No. I dont claim that. I guess you can say I build more of a SQL style box. Its for the daily driver. It will get loud, no doubt, but it wont sound like a fartbox either. I feel my prices are reasonable. When you get a box from me, you will get a very quality build box. You may claim my prices are high. But consider this... Materials arent free. I dont use MDF, I use Trupan, its a lightweight MDF. Roughly $15 more per sheet, but its a better product. High quality carpet, with a VERY good adhesive. Deck screws vs. drywall. I know use binding posts instead of terminal cups. Why? they are better. I dont slack on materials to cut costs. I dont work that way. If I am going to stamp my name on a product, it is going to be of the highest quality. I am not going to run the risk of ruining my rep because I chose to use sub-par products. And customer service... I dont need to tell you about that, just ask any of my customers. Most emails are responded to the same day, many within just a few hours. Did I miss anything? |
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Bronze Member Username: Bjfish11Garden Plain, KS USA Post Number: 100 Registered: Dec-06 | Please visit this thread... Id love to answer your questions there... I hate cluttering up a thread thats not about me. https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/car-audio/355020.html |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 2841 Registered: Jan-06 | I am not knocking your building, they look like very nice boxes... "polo, horns and transmission lines when designed correctly are more musical than anything you've had in your car. BP as well" Trevor, First of all a BP is out of the picture all together, there frequency reproduction is so limited it isn't funny BUT they are extremely loud, just not at playing music (not musical). Now a TL is a VERY GOOD clean sounding box with a hiper-extended low range with little or no coloration which is great for a SQ system, quite musical BUT definately not a SPL/SQL orientated, they really don't get loud and are quite large. SMaller drivers are usually used because of this. Now a Horn is a whole different ball of wax! They are so large and complicated that really aren't all that practical. Most horns use a low Fs compression driver, not a regular sub either due to the variables of impedence that is experienced with this enclosure design. Horns were designed to place all or most of the musical energy at the lister instead of wasting it outside of the listening area which would make an excellent SPL/SQL and even SQ box, but go ahead and you find the room for one, may have to get a 8" version, lol. Polo..  |
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Gold Member Username: Tdeaton1021Near Tampa, Florida USA Post Number: 4272 Registered: Sep-04 | Polo, if you take the time to research horns in car audio you can find that they can be much smaller then your traditional horns. also there are 2 tyoes for horns: front and rear loading. i forget which one is larger, i think front, which is more commonly used in HT. I could easiily do a 2 12 inch horn setup in my car. A T-Line can very easily be geared for SPL or for SQL and will yeild a great output while staying musical. T-lines are so efficient. If you research then you'll find T-lines yeild greater output than ported and better SQ than acoustic suspension. BP is NOT out of the SQL race. infact when designed properly, BP is one of the best options to go. For someone as knowledgable about almost everything in car audio from equipment to electronics and physics I was suprised to read some of the things you wrote. I wish i could explain to you how it's all done but I've only researched enough to understand what they are capable of, and not enough to understand how to do them. oh and for t-lines. Pete also makes a t-box, he calls it. which is a t-line with a compression chamber. it kicks as s lol. |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 2844 Registered: Jan-06 | Ok Trevor, lets start of with the TL box. A TL box consists of a sub chamber and a very long port stuffed with a fibrous material designed to dampen the back wave of the driver. This is designed to eliminate echoes caused by the drivers back wave and keep it from entering the listening area throught the cone or cabinet walls. This being said, where do you think you are going to get SPL from? The port is stuffed literally... A TL will get you a strong bass line BUT will yield lower spl doing it because of the lack of port velocity, fact... Polo.. PS- Stick to TL for now then we'll move on.. Finish this one and we will move on.. |
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Gold Member Username: Tdeaton1021Near Tampa, Florida USA Post Number: 4276 Registered: Sep-04 | there are so many types of transmission lines its crazy. tapered or not, compression chamber or not, stuffed or not. Transmission Line Loudspeakers have: virtually no sound emanating from the enclosure except the loudspeaker; precisely defined imaging, particularly in the bass region and vocals; precicely timed bass without echo or reverberant 'booming'; excellent transient response and uncompressed dynamics; typically, extended bass below a half wave frequency of the reflected line length e.g. 30Hz=8foot length; typically, even loudspeaker-impedance, from the unchanging consistent load(no reflection resonances); high efficiency. thats all i can find right now its from wikipedia. but i know once before i came across a great article comparing it to bass reflex and acoustic suspension. as far as port velocity goes. you can taper the TL to create a choke creathign greater velocity. I'm really not the person to explain this though as i don't fully understand the design. |
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Bronze Member Username: BreakdownPost Number: 15 Registered: May-07 | sorry but horns don't happen in cars. if you think so, you have bought into the ttb hype. even if it were a horn at 60 hertz it most certainly won't be at 30 hertz. go to diyaudio.com where there are people who have years and years of experience with real horns and they will confirm what you should alreayd know |
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Gold Member Username: Tdeaton1021Near Tampa, Florida USA Post Number: 4277 Registered: Sep-04 | Harold. you have said many things on this forum that just dont hold up anything. petes XXX system hit 158s daily in a horn sooo.... what was your point again? |
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Bronze Member Username: BreakdownPost Number: 16 Registered: May-07 | "Harold. you have said many things on this forum that just dont hold up anything. petes XXX system hit 158s daily in a horn sooo.... what was your point again?" list them smartass. just because someone hits a number at a given frequency does not mean it's a horn. the only thing you have proven is that he has a speaker in a box and achieved a score. do you know what the definition of a horn is? here's a hint: achieving directivity is not the only requirement to truly being a horn. |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 5075 Registered: Jun-04 | Harold your wrong team txic bass has done two ascendant audio 12's in a horn enclosure heres their box types they do http://www.teamtoxicbass.com/design/intro.htm |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 5076 Registered: Jun-04 | sorry make that 2 15's heres the proof http://www.realmofexcursion.com/featured/pete/main.htm |
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Bronze Member Username: BreakdownPost Number: 17 Registered: May-07 | "Harold your wrong team txic bass has done two ascendant audio 12's in a horn enclosure heres their box types they do http://www.teamtoxicbass.com/design/intro.htm" i know what they say they have done and am responding that the enclosures they are designing are not functioning as horns at low frequencies. this is not up for debate and is well known in the horn world. as i said, read up on some of the true horn designs that have been created and you will find out for yourself. even if you are radiating into quarter or 8th space, it is not possible in a vehicle because there simply is not enough room to fit an enclosure big enough to behave as a horn at 30 hertz. |
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Gold Member Username: Tdeaton1021Near Tampa, Florida USA Post Number: 4278 Registered: Sep-04 | I don't think i need to listen to you Harold. Honestly, you have no idea what you talking about. "just because someone hits a number at a given frequency does not mean it's a horn" when does a number EVER give away the type of enclosure? He had them in a horn, I've asked him personally. Thanks. and thanks sean for the link. |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 5078 Registered: Jun-04 | yw trevor |
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Bronze Member Username: BreakdownPost Number: 19 Registered: May-07 | i know that pete says they are in a horn, but they are not behaving as horns at low frequencies. this is not even worth discussing with people who are not willing to research the project more themselves. it is clear that someone just saying something is proof enough to you. by the way, i have a car and it's a deusenberg. proof enough for you? |
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Silver Member Username: Bjfish11Garden Plain, KS USA Post Number: 108 Registered: Dec-06 | This thread is funny... it has changed subjects so many times, lol. |
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Bronze Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 34 Registered: Oct-06 | yeah..kinda got lost about what the OP was.. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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