15" Fi Q BIG PROBLEM
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Silver Member Username: Mike11202DE US Post Number: 199 Registered: Nov-06 | The box was built today, 4.27 cubes @27hz. Now I disconnected my current sub JBL 12" which was wired at 3ohms and connected the Fi Q at 1 ohm. IT DOESNT POWER ON. The amp is an Elemental Designs NINe.1 Before you say the fuses are blown, I wired correctly to 1 ohm, put the JBL back in and it worked fine. What could be the problem? |
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Silver Member Username: Snarl2004Audioque 12 SD2.5s, Earthquake P... Post Number: 867 Registered: Dec-06 | make sure all the connections inside the box are tight. if theres a connection that has come loose somewhere between the amp and sub then it wont play at all. |
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Silver Member Username: Snarl2004Audioque 12 SD2.5s, Earthquake P... Post Number: 868 Registered: Dec-06 | and r u saying the amp doesnt power on or the sub just dosnt play? |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Southeast PA Post Number: 1666 Registered: Jul-06 | 3 ohms?! WTF coils does that sub have SVC? DVC? Now onto the Q, what coils does that have, and how did you wire it. |
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Silver Member Username: Mike11202DE US Post Number: 201 Registered: Nov-06 | Alright, the JBL is dual 6, and Q is dual 2. The amp powers on, the connections have to be tight because after the Q didnt work i hooked up the JBL and it played. I wired + to left + and - to right - |
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Silver Member Username: Snarl2004Audioque 12 SD2.5s, Earthquake P... Post Number: 875 Registered: Dec-06 | you used all the same wires to hook up the JBL as you used to hook up the Q? |
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Silver Member Username: Snarl2004Audioque 12 SD2.5s, Earthquake P... Post Number: 876 Registered: Dec-06 | you wired the Q like this right?...  |
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Silver Member Username: Mike11202DE US Post Number: 202 Registered: Nov-06 | Yeah I used that diagram |
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Silver Member Username: Snarl2004Audioque 12 SD2.5s, Earthquake P... Post Number: 879 Registered: Dec-06 | you used all the same wires to hook up the JBL as you used to hook up the Q? |
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Silver Member Username: Mike11202DE US Post Number: 203 Registered: Nov-06 | Yea same wires i dont know whats wrong |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Southeast PA Post Number: 1671 Registered: Jul-06 | You say the amp doesn't turn on when the Q is hooked up?!!!!! Or does it turn on and just not play? |
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Silver Member Username: Mike11202DE US Post Number: 204 Registered: Nov-06 | The amp does turn on, the sub just doesnt play |
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Silver Member Username: Snarl2004Audioque 12 SD2.5s, Earthquake P... Post Number: 880 Registered: Dec-06 | idk that doesnt sound good. if the JBL works and the Q doesnt and all of the wiring is set up right there might be something wrong with the sub. email or call scott tomarrow or hope he see's this thread and mabey he can give u some info |
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Silver Member Username: Mike11202DE US Post Number: 205 Registered: Nov-06 | I had a couple friends check it out, JBL works perfectly, when I wire the sub correctly and turn it on I get no response. |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Southeast PA Post Number: 1673 Registered: Jul-06 | Don't go jumping to conclusions about the sub being the problem. Mike, use a DMM to measure the resistance (ohms) across the amp's speaker + and - terminals with the sub hooked up (and the system off). You should get ~1 ohm (you won't get exactly that). If you get some really low number, you have a short somewhere. |
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Silver Member Username: Mike11202DE US Post Number: 206 Registered: Nov-06 | Why would my JBL work then? |
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Gold Member Username: Logan__tilleHttp://com4.runboard.c..., Imortal Box ... Logan116600@... Post Number: 6980 Registered: Feb-06 | flip switches and turn knobs until it works |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Southeast PA Post Number: 1675 Registered: Jul-06 | Oh wait, didn't see the part about same wires. when you say same wires does that mean you are disconnecting the wires from the JBL subs terminals and connecting them to the Q's terminals? And not touching anything else? If that's the case, then the wiring is good. Use the DMM to measure resistance across both the subs coils. They should each be ~2 ohms. In order to cause this condition when wired in parallel, BOTH coils would have to be bad, which is highly unlikely. But check it anyways. |
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Silver Member Username: Snarl2004Audioque 12 SD2.5s, Earthquake P... Post Number: 882 Registered: Dec-06 | or get a hammer and start hitting things one at a time and if ur really lucky u might get it to work...;) |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 5699 Registered: Jun-06 | Have you peaked at the tinsel leads at all? Sh1t happens. Who knows. |
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Silver Member Username: Mike11202DE US Post Number: 207 Registered: Nov-06 | Yes, I am disconnecting from the JBL then connecting to the Q and i get nothing. I don't know anything about the tinsel leads anyway haha. Ill take it to an audio shop tomorrow and get it checked out I guess |
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Silver Member Username: HgihkcinLincoln, NE Post Number: 139 Registered: Sep-05 | try wiring the Q in a series... the exact resistance is 1.5ohms so ur giving it .75 ohms in reality, which might be the cause.. if it works when you wire it in a series then the resistance is too low. |
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Gold Member Username: Adam_s15 TC9 Hybrid, RE MT Softparts Post Number: 1028 Registered: Aug-04 | The red arrow points to the tinsel leads check and see if they arent connected.  |
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Silver Member Username: Mike11202DE US Post Number: 210 Registered: Nov-06 | Scott told me the NINe.1 is fine "The NINe.1 should be a good match, but be sure to get the subsonic filter setup correctly (about 25Hz)" Ill check the leads tomorrow its too dark out right now. |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Southeast PA Post Number: 1678 Registered: Jul-06 | Check your sub's coils with a DMM like I said |
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Silver Member Username: Mike11202DE US Post Number: 214 Registered: Nov-06 | how much do DMM's cost? |
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Silver Member Username: Mike11202DE US Post Number: 215 Registered: Nov-06 | bump |
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Silver Member Username: Mrskullz1Brooklyn, New York Post Number: 191 Registered: Feb-07 | dude...steinkea...wtf is that in the top of the pic? finger? hand? lol..scared me for some reason when i first seen it  |
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Gold Member Username: Adam_s15 TC9 Hybrid, RE MT Softparts Post Number: 1037 Registered: Aug-04 | Its a hand. lol |
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Gold Member Username: StnorrisRE SX 15, IA US Post Number: 2130 Registered: Apr-06 | if the resistance is ~2 ohms or not, thats not gunna really help...it sounds like the sub is messed up someway or another....u prolly just need to call scott in the morning and ask him, and probably send it back... |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 5714 Registered: Jun-06 | A cheap DMM can cost $20. Good one, well,....... |
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Silver Member Username: Mike11202DE US Post Number: 217 Registered: Nov-06 | whats scott's number? i dont see it on the fi website |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Southeast PA Post Number: 1695 Registered: Jul-06 | " if the resistance is ~2 ohms or not, thats not gunna really help...it sounds like the sub is messed up someway or another....u prolly just need to call scott in the morning and ask him, and probably send it back... " If there is something wrong with the sub's coil causing an open circuit, he will not get a reading on the DMM. Believe it or not I do have a reason for telling him to check that......  |
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Silver Member Username: Fi_car_audioHades, NV Post Number: 154 Registered: Sep-06 | No number to reach me... but thats why I check here at least once a day  Id say you need to do a pop test on the coils to make sure that the polarity is correct. Take a 9v battery, your cars battery, the 18V battery out of your Makita... and put a wire from + of one terminal to the + of the battery, then the - from one terminal to quickly touch the - of the battery. This should pop things in the outward direction. Then do the same for the other coil. If it pops in the wrong direction, then check to make sure the terminals are facing the correct direction or that the little colored (red and black) bands are on the correct + and - of the terminal. DO NOT let the battery sit connected to the sub. It can make things mad... Once it is determined that both coils work, then hook up the + of each coil to the + of the wires that go to the amp, and the - of each coil to the - of the wires that go to the amp. Pop test again to make sure that it moves in the same direction (you always need to pay attention to polarity). If not, reverse the + and - on one coil and see if it works... Sounds to me as if it is simply wired out of phase some how. Thanks, Scott |
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Silver Member Username: Mike11202DE US Post Number: 218 Registered: Nov-06 | Scott I understand you trying to help, but I have no experience at all with Car Audio and would not be able to do that. I will take it to a shop and have it metered with a DMM, if its not wiring, I will send it back since there would obviously be a problem with the sub that I myself cannot fix or test without creating a worse problem. |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 2047 Registered: Jul-06 | "Scott I understand you trying to help, but I have no experience at all with Car Audio and would not be able to do that." That's a big problem right there  Keep on reading and hopefully, you'll keep on learning. |
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Silver Member Username: Mike11202DE US Post Number: 219 Registered: Nov-06 | Im not saying that I dont know anything, I am saying I haven't worked with any electrical parts in an install. |
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Silver Member Username: Fi_car_audioHades, NV Post Number: 160 Registered: Sep-06 | Mike... Id bet you $5 that you could do it. (chance of winning $5 and saving the cost of a trip to the car audio shop). This one is really easy to do, and if you email me Ill give you my cell so that I can walk you through it. Scott@FiCarAudio.com Thanks, Scott |
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Silver Member Username: Mike11202DE US Post Number: 220 Registered: Nov-06 | I went to Walmart after school and bought a pack of 9v batteries, $5.68 and waited for your e-mail back that I sent at around 1:00 this afternoon. I scheduled an appointment at Sound Fx tomorrow for them to check it out, another $35.00 minimum charge. |
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Gold Member Username: Denali_on_22sHit you in the chest m... Post Number: 2062 Registered: Feb-06 | Don't get snickety. Scott is trying to help without you having to go through sh!t. Chill out bro. |
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Silver Member Username: Mike11202DE US Post Number: 221 Registered: Nov-06 | I wasnt being snickety or watever you want to call it, I just need my bass back asap  |
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Silver Member Username: Mike11202DE US Post Number: 222 Registered: Nov-06 | bump |
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Silver Member Username: Fi_car_audioHades, NV Post Number: 162 Registered: Sep-06 | Got home a little bit ago and I think I already got to your email. Check your email when you get a chance... Thanks, Scott |
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Bronze Member Username: JtownPost Number: 94 Registered: Mar-07 | You are way to impatient, and must have money to WASTE! |
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Silver Member Username: Mike11202DE US Post Number: 223 Registered: Nov-06 | take your subs out and see how long you last |
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