What would I have to do to run a 16-17 V charging system, for a Z2
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Silver Member Username: Impala63ragDD 9512s , Orion d5000 Post Number: 735 Registered: Sep-06 | I'm getting frustrated because I want my 9512's to get more power. I can't add on another Orion because of the ohm load (could but not efficient). So I want a DD Z2, But in order to reap the benifits, it needs a strong charging system. What do I need to do to get that? |
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Platinum Member Username: BestmankindLos Angeles, CA USA Post Number: 12053 Registered: Oct-05 | its too much work impala. just go with an amp that does 5000wrms at 14v. in order to get 16v, you will need an isolator and some 16v batteries. |
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Gold Member Username: J_baby15DiRtY 5oUtH ... Post Number: 1560 Registered: Feb-06 | y not consider a Z1a instead of a Z2. alot better for daily, but they're around 1200 preordered. |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3IF U HEAR ME... crazydbs.com Post Number: 4435 Registered: Feb-06 | the z1 are mor epowerful than the z2 on 14.4v easily 5000 out of the z1 on 14.4 volts... u can get an adassa warlord for about 1000 that will do clean 5000 wtts rms easily |
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Silver Member Username: Impala63ragDD 9512s , Orion d5000 Post Number: 737 Registered: Sep-06 | The DD site says 3k wrms @ 14.4 volts. I just don't wanna drop a buch of bread to not be able to hear the difference. |
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Silver Member Username: Impala63ragDD 9512s , Orion d5000 Post Number: 738 Registered: Sep-06 | What would I need? some 16V kinetiks and a H.O. alternator or two with a voltage regulator. |
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Silver Member Username: Impala63ragDD 9512s , Orion d5000 Post Number: 740 Registered: Sep-06 | bumpage |
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Silver Member Username: OlegSanta Monica, CA USA Post Number: 882 Registered: Nov-04 | I'm really interested in this, so I'm just posting so I can get notified via email lol |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3IF U HEAR ME... crazydbs.com Post Number: 4436 Registered: Feb-06 | LOOK AT THE TESTING DD DID WITH THE Z1  4500 RMS AT 1 OHM WITH THE Z1.. ALOT MORE RMS THAN THE Z2 AT 14.4C... HOWEVER THE Z2 WILL CATCH UP AND OUTBUMP IN 18 VOLT SET UP... BUT STILL THE Z1 ITS BETTER AND STRONGER AND EFFICIENT |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Southeast PA Post Number: 1483 Registered: Jul-06 | " The DD site says 3k wrms @ 14.4 volts. I just don't wanna drop a buch of bread to not be able to hear the difference. " Lol, you don't know much about Z1s huh? http://forum.soundpressure.com/showthread.php?t=209 Scroll about halfway down the chart |
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Silver Member Username: Dakangofkrunk16Earth Post Number: 533 Registered: Mar-07 | .. |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Southeast PA Post Number: 1486 Registered: Jul-06 | bump |
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Silver Member Username: Impala63ragDD 9512s , Orion d5000 Post Number: 744 Registered: Sep-06 | So you think I'll see a big difference between my orion d5000, and the Z1? |
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Silver Member Username: JblanfordPost Number: 783 Registered: Oct-06 | impala check out the new dd z1a |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Southeast PA Post Number: 1488 Registered: Jul-06 | Lol yeah that would be about double the power. Of couse you gotta have a monster charging system to run 5kw...... |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3IF U HEAR ME... crazydbs.com Post Number: 4437 Registered: Feb-06 | wel dude.. first of all becarufl abotu the z1.... the z1 got defective and runned 1 ohms all day but it smoked at 2 ohms we dont know why.... well dd made new ones supposed to dont have that problem... but who knows they are juzz comming out.. so ill suggest to wait till some reviews... |
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Gold Member Username: J_baby15DiRtY 5oUtH ... Post Number: 1566 Registered: Feb-06 | new DDZ1a is 5k @ 12v at 1ohm....so you'll see even more at 14v. The original Z1s were rated at 3k, but they were underrated. The first batch of the original Z1s had sum problems, thats y they had teh gen-2 come out that had all the bugs fixed. |
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Silver Member Username: Waterboy2289Georgia, DiRtY SoUtH ... 2 18 SX w/ ... Post Number: 234 Registered: Jan-06 | Impala, if you have your mind set on DD, then the Z1a is the amp to get for your application!!! No Questions Asked. |
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Silver Member Username: OlegSanta Monica, CA USA Post Number: 894 Registered: Nov-04 | JBL A6000GTI - 7400W RMS x 1 at 1ohm booya MSRP $6K lol |
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Silver Member Username: Waterboy2289Georgia, DiRtY SoUtH ... 2 18 SX w/ ... Post Number: 235 Registered: Jan-06 | ^^^^^^^^^what? |
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Gold Member Username: J_baby15DiRtY 5oUtH ... Post Number: 1571 Registered: Feb-06 | 4 DDZ1a's strapped - 20,000rms @12v (~30k @14.4v) 5200 lol. |
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Silver Member Username: OlegSanta Monica, CA USA Post Number: 897 Registered: Nov-04 | matt, you confused? |
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Silver Member Username: Waterboy2289Georgia, DiRtY SoUtH ... 2 18 SX w/ ... Post Number: 236 Registered: Jan-06 | About the "booya" part, yes I am. It seemed as if you were cheering because you found an amp more powerful than the Z1a. Am I correct? If you're talking big power then you should mention the Hifonics XXV Maxximus(10,000w rms @ 2ohm). Jordan: Are you reffereing to Ronnies system? If so, it is going to be SICK!!! |
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Silver Member Username: OlegSanta Monica, CA USA Post Number: 901 Registered: Nov-04 | i was booyaing b/c i remembered another monster period. yeah, that hifonics is a beast too. |
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Gold Member Username: J_baby15DiRtY 5oUtH ... Post Number: 1574 Registered: Feb-06 | naw not directly, but yea it will b sick. I was jus statin in general thatd b bad..... |
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Silver Member Username: Waterboy2289Georgia, DiRtY SoUtH ... 2 18 SX w/ ... Post Number: 238 Registered: Jan-06 | damn straight! |
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Silver Member Username: Impala63ragDD 9512s , Orion d5000 Post Number: 745 Registered: Sep-06 | I asked about that Hifonics Goliath, 5k wrms. I got nothin' but neg. feedback saying that it isn't as efficient as DD. that it doesn't compare to the Z1. IDK, I just wanna give my babies more to feed on. let them run at full potential. never got an answer on the charging system though. How do I get a 16-17W charging system? Will a few 16V kinetik's, a couple H.O. alts, and a regulator do it? What is an isolator? Am I missing something? Is there more to it than just adding the right bat.'s and alts?  |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3IF U HEAR ME... crazydbs.com Post Number: 4449 Registered: Feb-06 | u dont need an isulator an isulator will make voltage drops.... yes u do need a dual alt... and no aftermarket regulator.... u can get full 16volts to the amp by gettin some 6 volt batteries and wire them seres i think im not sure but thats how u do it |
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Silver Member Username: Impala63ragDD 9512s , Orion d5000 Post Number: 746 Registered: Sep-06 | So its all about the alts, and the bats, is that right? |
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Silver Member Username: Impala63ragDD 9512s , Orion d5000 Post Number: 747 Registered: Sep-06 | I'm asking because no-matter what you look at, they perform better at higher voltage. |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Southeast PA Post Number: 1512 Registered: Jul-06 | Dude it's not worth it..... the Z1 is one of the best amps out there, bar none, they do 5000+ watts at 14 volts |
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Silver Member Username: Impala63ragDD 9512s , Orion d5000 Post Number: 748 Registered: Sep-06 | That warlord looked voltage hungry |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Southeast PA Post Number: 1513 Registered: Jul-06 | But what you said is right, you would just need an alt with a 16 volt regulator and a 16 volt battery. But keep in mind, the alt won't be able to produce as much amperage at 16 volts as at 14, and you'll be no better off than you would be using a Z1 on 14 volts. Like it said before, not worth it..... |
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Silver Member Username: Impala63ragDD 9512s , Orion d5000 Post Number: 749 Registered: Sep-06 | I'll either buy this Z1 from this guy for a stack, or wait for the Z1a. I prefer DD. |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3IF U HEAR ME... crazydbs.com Post Number: 4450 Registered: Feb-06 | na the voltage its alil powerful than the z1 on 14.4 and up... if i was you i get 2 ma audio 4000 hk and strap em they do 3500 easily so thats 7000 watts for the price of the z1 |
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Silver Member Username: Impala63ragDD 9512s , Orion d5000 Post Number: 750 Registered: Sep-06 | "the alt won't be able to produce as much amperage at 16 volts as at 14," ahh, wasn't aware of that. |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Southeast PA Post Number: 1514 Registered: Jul-06 | " I'm asking because no-matter what you look at, they perform better at higher voltage. " Absolutely not true, an amp with a regulated power supply will produce the same power regardless of the input voltage. Also, many amps cannot handle 16 volts. |
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Silver Member Username: Impala63ragDD 9512s , Orion d5000 Post Number: 751 Registered: Sep-06 | Would 2 of the ma audio 4k amps strapped, run my 2 x D4ohm. subs @ 1ohm? |
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Silver Member Username: Waterboy2289Georgia, DiRtY SoUtH ... 2 18 SX w/ ... Post Number: 242 Registered: Jan-06 | You cannot strap the hk4000d's if that is what you are referring to Rob. Impala, is this a daily system you are trying to improve? |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Southeast PA Post Number: 1515 Registered: Jul-06 | "the alt won't be able to produce as much amperage at 16 volts as at 14," " ahh, wasn't aware of that. " That's physics for ya. If you have the same amount of energy going in (the engine turning the alt pulley), you will get the same amount of energy out. Meaning that when you increase the voltage regulator, you'll get less amperage, and vice versa. You can't magically create energy. |
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Silver Member Username: Impala63ragDD 9512s , Orion d5000 Post Number: 752 Registered: Sep-06 |  I thought they were strappable, isn't that what chad lee did? |
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Silver Member Username: Impala63ragDD 9512s , Orion d5000 Post Number: 753 Registered: Sep-06 | yes, daily beater. |
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Silver Member Username: Waterboy2289Georgia, DiRtY SoUtH ... 2 18 SX w/ ... Post Number: 243 Registered: Jan-06 | ^^^Amplifiers draw less current at higher voltages though, so it may balance out. |
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Silver Member Username: Impala63ragDD 9512s , Orion d5000 Post Number: 754 Registered: Sep-06 | With two H.O. alts and a bat bank. They would keep up at 16V, right? |
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Silver Member Username: Waterboy2289Georgia, DiRtY SoUtH ... 2 18 SX w/ ... Post Number: 244 Registered: Jan-06 | Well, now that I know it is a daily system I can give you my informed opinion. DON'T DO 16V! To answer your above question: maybe. You really need to stop thinking about doing 16v for a daily system. It pointless, there is nothing to gain. There are tons of high power amps made for 14v. You said you like DD; alright then, get a Z1a. It can do something like 5000w @ 1ohm on 12v. You've got to stop being so thick headed and realize that 14v is what you need for your application. |
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Silver Member Username: Impala63ragDD 9512s , Orion d5000 Post Number: 757 Registered: Sep-06 | So if I want to run a 14.4V system, A regulator will sustain 14.4V, as long as there is bats, and alts right? |
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Silver Member Username: Impala63ragDD 9512s , Orion d5000 Post Number: 758 Registered: Sep-06 | I started this venture into higher voltage when I was trying to find a bigger amp for less, but they all wanted more voltage to push more power. Your right, I'll run the 14.4 with a Z1a when it comes out. |
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Silver Member Username: Waterboy2289Georgia, DiRtY SoUtH ... 2 18 SX w/ ... Post Number: 246 Registered: Jan-06 | I guess I should say when I'm referring to a 14v system, it is really a 12/14v system. Your alt output is 14.x volts and your batteries are at 12.x volts. So if you exceed the current output of your alt you will pull from the batteries which will be @ 12v. But no worries since the Z1a in particular doesn't mind low voltages at all. |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Southeast PA Post Number: 1518 Registered: Jul-06 | " I'll run the 14.4 with a Z1a when it comes out. " Awesome man, thats one of the best amps you can get bar none. I wish I could afford one, lol. " Amplifiers draw less current at higher voltages though, so it may balance out. " Which reinforces my point, the 16 volt system for daily is, in most cases, not worth the money/hassle. Also, that's not true if you're trying to get more power from your amp than it produces at 14 volts (and for what other reason would you run a 16 volt system?) |
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Silver Member Username: Waterboy2289Georgia, DiRtY SoUtH ... 2 18 SX w/ ... Post Number: 247 Registered: Jan-06 | "that's not true if you're trying to get more power from your amp than it produces at 14 volts (and for what other reason would you run a 16 volt system?)" Example of my point: If you run an amp @ 1ohm on 14v, and then increase the voltage to 16v, the amp will produce more power with less current draw. It has to do with one of those equations for power that relates current/voltage/watts together. |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3IF U HEAR ME... crazydbs.com Post Number: 4451 Registered: Feb-06 | nab matt u wrong my friend higher voltage it doesnt mean nuttin however12 volt means that the current travels slower than a 14 volt with same current.... thats why amps produce more power at higher volts... but they have to be made to handle such high voltage.. if u get a 300 alt at 12 and a 300 at 16 volt botch alt are going to produce the same. except the the one at 16 volt its gonna make it flow faster... yes higher voltage its good but dangerous |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 1891 Registered: Jul-06 | Impala I highly reccomend you do run a 16-17 volt setup in your vehicle.It's nowhere near worth the trouble you're going to go through.Get yourself some amps that are rated at 14.4 and be happy. |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 1892 Registered: Jul-06 | "mpala I highly reccomend you do run a 16-17 volt setup in your vehicle." DOH!I highly reccomend you DO NOT run a 16-17 volt system. |
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Silver Member Username: Dakangofkrunk16Earth Post Number: 542 Registered: Mar-07 | HOMER Mmmmmmmmmm DONUTS |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 1913 Registered: Jul-06 | ^Yea I'm pretty hungry but I don't eat anything fattening  |
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Silver Member Username: Dakangofkrunk16Earth Post Number: 547 Registered: Mar-07 | u dont eat donuts?? all the good sht is fattening lol |
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Silver Member Username: SpkrmanChi town, IL U S A Post Number: 412 Registered: Mar-06 | 16v setups are very useful for daily if you have the space for the batteries... You have a few options. Run an 18v battery only setup, and recharge every few days. Run 16v batts (it'll charge 18-19 volts) and an EXTRA alternator specifically for the batts. Both are very useful, very practical, and allow you to get tons of power without any sort of light dim or interference with the car's charging system at all. Building a 12v system capable of the same wattage WILL cost more than an equivelant 16v system. No reason to be scared of 16v. |
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Gold Member Username: OglejustPost Number: 1417 Registered: Aug-06 | good post ^^^ |
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Silver Member Username: SpkrmanChi town, IL U S A Post Number: 415 Registered: Mar-06 | Btw,I ran 16v in 2005 on an orion 2500d... with 4 8v batts, I only had to recharge every week or so... and that was daily driven. Even at that point, the amp wasnt hitting protect or anything... stil had plenty of juice left. The batts cost me $280 all together, and the carger was $80 I think. For an "equivelent" 12v system it would have cost at least double... and your still not seeing that extra 16v power. |
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Platinum Member Username: GlasswolfWisteria, Lane USA Post Number: 11899 Registered: Dec-03 | actually best way to approach this is as follows: make sure your amps have unregulated power supplies or all of this is pointless. next, use a battery isolator to run dedicated audio system batteries in the trunk. get racing batteries designed to run 16 or 20VDC. There are ones that offer that high of an output voltage but still recharge from a 14.4VDC alternator charge by using capacitance and a step-up regulator internally. this gives you the 16VDC setup for the audio from the batteris, lets them recharge from a HO alternator, and leaves your car's electronics running from the starter battery at 12VDC to avoid damage. |
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Gold Member Username: J_baby15DiRtY 5oUtH ... Post Number: 1597 Registered: Feb-06 | ^^nice. And just where could one get those batts from GW? any brands u recommend? |
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Platinum Member Username: GlasswolfWisteria, Lane USA Post Number: 11901 Registered: Dec-03 | also note, by using batteries you have to drain down and recharge later without an alternator you stand a strong chance of gassing, which can kill you in an enclosed car cabin. Also, going from 14 volts to 16 volts isn't that much of an increase. you'll hear maybe a decibel of difference. |
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Gold Member Username: J_baby15DiRtY 5oUtH ... Post Number: 1601 Registered: Feb-06 | bump while GW is around...answer my ? if u can. |
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Silver Member Username: Impala63ragDD 9512s , Orion d5000 Post Number: 759 Registered: Sep-06 | wow, that was informative!!! thanks Mark Potts, and GlassWolf. |
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Platinum Member Username: GlasswolfWisteria, Lane USA Post Number: 11909 Registered: Dec-03 | Jegs or Summitracing.com have the batteries |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 2640 Registered: Jan-06 | Here is one. It actually uses an internal structure that uses a extra post for 12v. It is a dual voltage battery, just bought one will let you know how it works out...Polo. https://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product2_10001_10002_761814_-1 |
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Gold Member Username: J_baby15DiRtY 5oUtH ... Post Number: 1610 Registered: Feb-06 | nice polo. they had sum on ca.com with a 12v post. but said they needed like a 18v alt to charge em, eventho they had a 12v and 16v post. So those will charge with a HO 14.4v alt? |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 2645 Registered: Jan-06 | Dunno but I bought a 16-20V external regulator for my 300A iraggi so basically it is gonna be on roids, lol. I also bought an extra regulator for the alt so I can rewire the internals to work with the external regulator, will be a drop in replacement when I am done. I need this battery to mount under my hood so this is the probably my biggest problem, but all is good...Polo. |
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