Have a vsat extreme , running bev and 110dn no problem ,tried and tried cant get 119.Any suggestions? 119 port 1, 110 port 2, bev port 4.Antennae settings ok.(poor mans dish)in canada.
That is quite normal I personally spent too much time finding it.....my recommendation is..
Take a look to *lyngsat* website, make a list of the TP's that are active on each sat, then in the signal meter utility that your receiver has just tune it into a TP that is being transmitted by 119 and not transmitted by 110, with this just play with your antenna alignment or LNB location, 119 is usually a little bit to the right and lower than 110.....
Just aim the circular LNB at the 119 sat (echo 7), using the hundreds of dish pointing calculators, and run a cable to your receiver, and scan the satellite....then U will have the 119...its that simple!
and if U already have a poormans dish with 82-91...do the same with a 2nd dish and get the 110-119...U can't have a poormans dish and get all 4 sats on 1 small dish..
disque ports 119-1 110-2 82-3 91-4 LNB-standard, unless using DP 11250 power ON 22-off etc
The biggest problem is the skew setting. Leave it a little loose and turn slowly till it comes in. Once you get one of them, u are sooo close. The skew is ur friend... or not
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Man, it is slow. I just wanted to hear myself type... Sometimes poeple forget the little things. I had a hard time once trying to get 119. 110 came in easy. The skew setting was off a few degrees from what the sat calculator said. or, most likely, another part of the installation was off a few degrees, which made the skew off. I always want more than one person helping... offering sugestions.
I have the same problem, many times I tried to do different things but every time when I have Twin LNBF legacy or DP I get one and not the other satellite, and most of the times I get 110 and not 119, but when I put 2 single LNBFs than I get both no problem. In one posting here I have expressed my opinion about this problem, but ONE of Friends from here, don't want to mention any names, didn't think that was problem.
King Tape and LK you both are missing point Friend has Dish 500 with Twin LNBF but when you connect one cable from LNBF to Diseqc switch and one from IA 5 sat. and one from Bev, when you start scanning 119 and 110 sat, you get just one satellite transponders, that is because you have 2 switches involved, one Diseqc and one is in Twin, if you try to bring another cable from Twin to Di seq than you get still one satellite scanned but twice the same channels like 110,110,112.112. and so fort, I hope you guys understand things better now I am sure that many of you had same problem but I see to many guys don't know how to explain things.
Roger and Jdq Don't sound like both got same issue List in detail hardware U got Don't give me a paragraph List Forexample - 1 Dish 500 - 2 DISEqC switch - 2 LNBs - Receiver brand name - etc
Some tips - Need 1 LNB for each SAT (circular) - Need 2 dishes 4 LNBs total to get 82,91,110,119 - Need DISEqC switch - Need 30 inch dish with Linear LNB for 97
- Must set-up LNB type and DISEqC settings in setup - Load latest bin PGM to your receiver
Finally if you tell Satellite speed in orbit around earth I will waive all charges it means I will consult you free of charge Good Luck King
King Tape I have Pansat 2700 Dish 500 and 30" dish for 97 and Bev, I also have last bin for my receive, my dish 500 has signal on DN 311 125% so that is out of way because someone else was talking about skew, but I have noticed that when I have diferent binn I had been able to download both satellites only one time when I had Twin LNBF, always in order to get 119 and 110 I had to use 2 LNBFs, and not only at my place but at friends too, when I was helping that had same problem.
Soory guys bev is separate dish 2 dishes 1 bev 1 dnet with diseq switch and 2 LNB strapped together I never had problem with it before , Ive set up a few.Also used setup with digiwave before(although ive moved houses so dish had to be reset) I think ill try what NIKKI suggested with TPs.
jdq...U stated u didn't get 119, implying NO channels on 119...thats NOT a TP issue..thats a alignment, cable, switch, or antenna receiver settings issue...or a bad 119 LNB!
try changing flip flopping cable 110-119 at the disque and resetiing antenna settings to new ports now..U may have a bad disque port in switch, if 110 now doesn't work but 119 does...if nNOT bad switch, then bad cable, alignment and recheck receiver antenna settings....also best to keep switches close to receivers...switches go bad often
if TP problem, U would still have at least the FREE "in the clear" 119 channels!..so its NOT a TP problem
You may or may have not burned one of the coils inside DISEqC switch WITH RECEIVER OFF AT ALL TIMES Try to connect 119 straight to receiver to rule out possibilty of 119 alignment or skew
If you get 119 stright in Then problem may be DISEqC switch or Antenna set-up, one bad connector on LNB or cable, faulty LNB, etc
It will never hurt to rest to factory default and fresh scaning but whatever you do try one SAt at a time without DISEqC switch and receiver off during changing cable
Jdq, do you have dish 500 or just dish 300 for 110 and 119 like picture above that could be different, but if you have dish 500 like I do and Twin lnbf and don't get the channels scanned of 119 but have signal when you hook up DN receiver, or use single LNBF to 119 sat, that is another problem which must be in the way my receiver is recognizing switch because there is 2 switches involved in my set up.
Bypass the Diseq switch and hook each (110 & 119) up separate until you get them working. Then install the diseq. Make sure you are on a transponder that has signal or you will never find it. I always use a a DN IRD for satellite setup. Use transponder 11 on both. I don't know trans 11 translates to on FTA box.
Talking about Skew differences, do you have to adjust the skew setting in the receiver's instalation menu? and if so, what should it read, mine aways has 45 degrees
Roger refering to your post #11 Does your friend got Pan Sat 2700 too?
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I'm still confused do you still have question for me?
Jdq. just remember which one was aligned first,I used the 110 as guide, LK used the 119 as guide, Both ways are OK.but for sure 119's LNB has to be a little down than 110, with skew or without it.
LK, if you have no experience with DN receivers than you don't know what I'm talking about, but you are just talking about things, and never have offered me a reason why I get no 119 sat or in some other case I got 119 but not 110 sat, I have been experiencing this now at least one year. I know what I'm talking about, also I'm doing satellites from 1992 so I know more than you think. If you have any idea how to download channels from 119 and 110 sat. with Twin LNBF on Dish 500, do that please, all other I don't want to know because, like I say I know more about than you think. And if you want to know about 125% take DN receiver 311 ,322 or any newer, hook it up on dish 500 adjust dish to best signal you can, and than tell me what signal strength you got on signal bar on the installation menu.
Basic reasons why you may get one of (110/119) and not both
- If by mistake selecting LNB Standard/Universal for Twin LNB - Poniting to 91 (lets you get 110 and not 119) - One of output coax thread is damaged [use other output] - Internal circuit damage on sw21 or/one of LNBs - Internal coil damage on DISEqC switch If U are using one - Did not match LNB type in Antenna set-up - Did not assign each SAT to unique port in DISEqC switch setup - Receiver may not be fully compatible to DISEqC protocol - LNB Type may not be compatible with receiver
Any of these are possible for getting only one SAT
Despite the fact you only need one wire from your twin LNB to receiver you still need to assign in Antenna DISEqC set-up
What I'll make sure to try: * point to in between 110/119 * May want move dish slighty towards south * Quad shield RG-6 cables with good connectors * Straight from LNB to receiver without DISEqC Switch * Try to install 119 only first * Try other coax thread from twin LNB * Try different LNB settings such as TWIN LNB-1 TO 119 & TWIN LNB-2 TO 110 or OSD-DP * Do Blind Scan followed by Chan Sat Scan
These settings are for people in Ontario /it works for me. Dish Setup / Aiming and How to Download Channels
These instructions apply to all Multi-Star, Fortec Lifetime Ultra receivers using PANSAT compatible software.
Elliptical Dish Instructions
THE LNBS SHOULD BE POSITIONED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BRACKET THAT HOLDS THEM. THESE POSITIONS ARE NOT MARKED. THE LNBS SHOULD BE TOUCHING IN THE MIDDLE, LEAVING A GAP ON THE OUTSIDE EDGE OF THE PLASTIC ADAPTOR ON BOTH SIDES ABOUT 1 INCH. YOUR MAST (pole) MUST BE 100% VERTICAL and PLUM in order to successfully locate BOTH satellites on 1 DISH. When standing behind the dish, the 119 Satellite is on the LEFT LNB, 110 satellite is on the RIGHT LNB.
Elliptical Dishes: set the SKEW to 67 degrees (Elliptical Dish); Please set your elevation to 32 degrees. (The marker is the edge of the inside bracket, painted red or silver, not the BOLT.)
DISH 500 ROUND dish: set the SKEW to 112 degrees. Please set your elevation to 32 degrees.
Connect the white wire to 110 LNB. Connect the black wire to 119. You will need a small connector to connect these wires to the long wire that goes to your FTA receiver. (this connector is not provided)
If this is a brand new receiver, or you have deleted all of your channels, you will be forced into the Menu. Select ENGLISH and press OK. Otherwise, Press MENU to begin your setup. Press OK on INSTALLATION / DISH SETUP, then Press OK on ANTENNA SETUP. Select EchoStar 6,8 (sometimes called Echo 8.6/ku or Echo 110 or similar name) Press OK. The satellite should now have a little checkmark beside it and the name of the selected satellite will appear in black on the left side of the screen. The orange cursor will now be visible on the right hand portion of the setup screen. You should see two bars near the bottom of the screen. The LEVEL indicator is on the TOP and the QUALITY indicator is on the BOTTOM. For our purposes, we are watching the QUALITY only, for the best signal possible. (above 60). You are now ready to rotate your dish and achieve the best signal possible on the Quality bar.
Start by sweeping the dish from the SOUTH of the sky towards the WEST, until you find a signal. (Watch the QUALITY BAR on your TV SCREEN) Once found, try to make small, subtle adjustments to your dish to improve the signal as much as possible. Fine tune the satellite by making very small adjustments to ALL THREE VARIABLES (Azimuth, Elevation and SKEW) You may wish to tighten your bolts at your best signal strength. Now, let's check what satellite signal we actually are receiving by DOWNLOADING the active channels from the satellite service. We will now download your channels from the satellite.
HOW TO DOWNLOAD CHANNELS FROM A SATELLITE
VERY IMPORTANT SETUP INFORMATION
We will downloaded each satellite individually to try to reduce the complexity of this setup. It is very important that you understand you DO NOT NEED TO DISCONNECT THE WIRES FROM THE SWITCH AND DOWNLOAD EACH SATELLITE individually ever again. (Unless we are helping you trouble-shoot your installation) You must set your DISECQ switch settings correctly FIRST, from now on, if you wish to re-download channels. Echo 6,8 uses DISECQ switch # 1. Echo 7 uses DISECQ switch #4.This will not change unless you physically change the wiring on the switch, which you should not do.
** If you have previously aimed your dish, and are now redownloading channels only, please set your DISECQ FIRST **
NEW CUSTOMERS: -> You are already in the ANTENNA SETUP MENU. Select the EchoStar 6,8 (110) on the menu by pressing [OK]. On the right side of the screen your settings should be as follows (without using the DISECQ switch)
LNB TYPE: Standard
LNB Frequency : 11250
22 Khz: OFF
DiSeCq: OFF <- set to # 1 when instructed to do so.
SKEW: -45 <--- ignore this setting
TP: [ 1 ] 12223 v 20.000
Positioner Settings: Disabled
Satellite Scan: ALL
Now Press OK to begin scanning for channels.
This will go to a new menu, showing TV channels on the left, and RADIO on the right. It is now downloading all active channels to your receiver. We are verifying that you have the correct signal expect to see PCLAS, PELIC channels appear quickly. If not, cancel by pressing EXIT. If the download is correct, allow it to finish. Press exit to return to a full-screen tv channel (not a preview window).
You must now power off your receiver (flip black switch on back of receiver to do this or unplug power) before disconnecting the 110 LNB and reconnecting the wire to the 119 LNB. Not powering off your receiver could cause a spark/short circuit and this will void your warranty and could KILL your receiver. Now that you have connected the 119, continue as below:
Now Go back into the ANTENNA SETUP MENU by Press MENU to begin your setup. Press OK on INSTALLATION / DISH SETUP, then Press OK on ANTENNA SETUP. Select the Echostar 7 (119) on the menu by pressing OK. On the right side of the screen your settings should be as follows (without using the DISECQ switch)
LNB TYPE: Standard
LNB Frequency : 11250
22 Khz: OFF
DiSeCq: OFF <- set to # 4 when instructed to do so.
SKEW: -45 <--- ignore this setting
TP: [ 2 ] 12239 <---- This must be set to find this satellite signal
Positioner Settings: Disabled
Satellite Scan: ALL
Now Press OK to begin scanning for channels.
This should go to a new menu, showing TV channels on the left, and RADIO on the right. It is now downloading all active channels to your receiver. To verify you have the correct signal, channels BET, BRAVO and ANIMAL should appear in a minute or two. If not, cancel by pressing Exit. Once the download has completed successfully, power off the receiver.
Now you must connect the DISECQ switch provided. The Echo 6,8 (white) wire connects to port #1, the Echo 7 (black wire) connects to port #4. The Long wire from your receiver connects to the port labelled RCV.
*** You MUST go back into the antenna setup as described above and change the Disecq setting for each satellite from OFF to the appropriate number ( 1 for 110, 4 for 119 ). Press exit on the remote and press OK to allow the receiver to save the changes when you leave each satellites setup screen. ***
You are now complete the aiming portion of these instructions. You may also wish to SORT your channels according to your preferences. Valid choices are ALPHABETICAL, DISH NETWORK pre-defined order, Transponder order ...)
To sort channels in DISHNETWORK order (recommended)
Press SAT Select ECHOSTAR Package (also called DISH PACKAGE) Press OK Select any channel from the list; Press OK. (this confirms your selection)
Your channels will now appear in the GUIDE/EPG or CHANNEL list in DISHNETWORK order. (ie. PPV channels are 500's)
oh i should mention this is old info made about 1 years ago but still works echo 6/8 is now echo 8/10... It also works for veiwsat Extreme settings ... I am running both receivers off the same 2 sats 110 and 119 I do believe that the settings are different bepending on your location in the world.
Doreen Thanx for your offer to help Roger He says sometimes he gets one SAT and not the other He is an experienced installer since 1992
I gave him a multiple choice for every single possibility because he was saying why never offered a reason why get one and not the other.
Also Roger I forgot to mention they may be 2 independent LNBs not Twin and they are functioning like 2 singles for whatever reason IN THIS ONLY case you must run 2 wires to a 4 input DISEqC switch and run output from switch to receiver. But remember if you do so must install each SAT seperately with no switch one at a time (1 LNB to each respective SAT) then you add the switch to run both LNBs with receiver off at all time followed by re-configure Antenna Set-up. If they are indeed twin LNBs DISEqC Switch is useless For an experienced or average installer this should be very helpfull
Feel free to ask me anything you want For the record LK and King Tapeman we are differend Users. I have no clue about any decoder receivers this is my 13th week
Let me see who will help me. I have posted messages several times on different threads but never got any answer. I have a pansat 2500, universal lnb, 30" motorized dish. I watch 97, 110, 119 and 121. Some of the channels on 97 are wait for picture, on 110 only a few channels work, some dps on 119 and 121 have no signal (they used to have signal on those tps before the new bin file was installed. I will give you an example of channels on 97; polish channels and east indian channels ASC and ASC extra, asianet, were working before the new bin. is this a system problem, or dish/lnd and directions? pl LK or King or anyone for help. thanks
King Tape, If I hook Dish with 2 LNBFs to receiver over Diseqc i can scan both satellites but I have to do it by unhooking one cable and scanning the other satellite, and re hooking back up and unhooking the already scanned one off, that way I get 119 and 110 and working fine, I also have DN receiver hooked up and using SW21 switch for it, but I was trying to do it with DP or Legacy Twin and every time I try to use Twin I would have problem and not only I have that problem, but some of friends that are also using Pansat 2700 or 2500 and setting like mine. I use Diseqc # 1- 119 # 2- 110 # 3- IA 5 and # 4-Bev Like I said in my previous statement I have dish pointed properly , because I get signal up to 125% on dish network receiver so you cant tell me that the dish is not right, and when I use set up with 2 dual LNBFs I don't have problem, so there you have it.
Roger I understand perfectly what you are doing This is exactly what you should do to pinpoint the problem
In my post #323 - Receiver may not be fully compatible to DISEqC protocol - LNB Type may not be fully compatible with receiver
This may vary from one receiver to another Twin DP has an internal switch Circuit (generic sw34) Twin Legacy has an internal switch circuit sw-21
-There is a way around it in the LNB Selection to some receivers - The other way is to miss around the voltage like some people
I'm working on something to modify it from hardware the right way
In the mean while LOOK FOR DIFFERENT LNB OPTION -You can't use Standard/Universal for LNB because they are neither -Look for choices like Twin LNB-1 & Twin LNB-2 or OSD-DP
Your receiver may or may not have this option Can you please let me know? If it doesn't have it unfortunatly you may have to use your Twin LNB to get one SAT and strap a second LNB to get the other. I wouldn't recommend you miss with voltage like some doing until there is a reliable MODIFICATION. King
Its very SIMPLE to use a DP twin and pick up 2 sats or even 3 or 4 sats with another dish with ANY receiver or 2 receivers!!!!...Dishnet or FTA!...U guys are beating a dead horse!...analyzing this way too much!...simply hook it up DIRECTLY, or if 3 sats , then use a DP switch and all DP LNB's...but don't mix apples and oranges and expect the DP switch to work wth a Legacy LNB..and disque switches aren't intended for Dishnet receivers...so if U want 3 sats and 2 receivers, use a DP LNB's and any FTA and a DP Dishnet receiver..if U sub to DN (or do plastic) and also want FTA
If U have a NON DP (Legacy) Dishnet receiver ,then use SW switches , but then don't expect to use FTA (unless a VS or CS) ....SW switches cause problems for MOST FTA receivers!...but U can use 22khz multiswitches for both....
SW and DP switches are NOT the same!...and I am not even mentioning the DPP LNB's, cause that an entirely different ball game!
half these people don't know what a Dishnet (DN)receiver is versus a FTA receiver...or a DP LNB versus a Legacy...when U have to repeat yourself 1000 times, then people simply don't care and don't want to know or read...they just want Plug N Play Free TV!
or they are here to create trouble..like LK Suxit and dssscommunity and other nicks they use, who have "reappeared" here again tonite!
as I stated here 1000 times , they are the admins here creating chaos, more posts, more sponsors, more money, while monitoring FTA users and FTA news!...yes...divide and conquer will be next...they are NOT happy now when people have civil disagreements and are exchanging opinions, and FTA is all quiet (no daily key changes etc)...they want chaos, more fighting, more internet hits!
King Tape, I have tried with every setting for LNB on my receiver and didn't get any difference what ever I did, like I said in my last posting the only way it works when I hook 2 dual lnbfs to Diseqc and even than I have to disconnect one lnb to make sure I download the one I want and when done do the other one, Now I will install new bin and erase all channels and try again with new bin, to see if it has something to do with it.
