Well, i'm not giving up on this....i got more newbie questions...
I'm still trying to make this Dish 500 work somewhat decently. It has been a lot of grief - scanning 110 gives me 119 and vice versa along with other problems.
Googling hasn't completely solved all, so i'm going to ask newbie questions with the hope that someone has already gone thru this at one time.
The two coaxial cables coming out of the Dish 500:
1) can i hook them up to a sw-21 switch and then run the cable to a diseqc switch?
2) Should i be hooking up the two cables coming out of the Dish 500 to the diseqc switch directly?
3) Someone told me that i don't need the two cables both hooked up, that one was sufficient, and that the other one was just there for another receiver (this seems odd), can anybody validate this?
Does anybody know the answers to these silly questions?
First you need to give more information. Dish 500 means nothing unless you specify what LNB you have. Do you have a DishPro (Twin) LNB or DishProPlus? That will determine what it is you need to do to make this work. For example: DishProPlus LNB's are a pain to make work. So the first think I would tell you is get rid of it. You'll need a DishPro (Twin) LNB. Each cable that comes from the LNB carries both sat signals 110 & 119. Then you to configure your box accordingly. 119 set to DiSeCQ #1 and 110 to DiSeCQ #2. Last but not least is you'll need to specify in the LNB Type of the atena setup that you are using DishPro LNB's. But again, this is all guess work unless you are more specific with what you have.
"Anyone know what this is? Class? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone seen this before?"
A Dish 500. Anyone know what this is? It's used to receive DISH Network programming. Some programing for DISH Network is only available if you have a DISH 500 dish. This is very difficult. Does anyone know what Vice President Bush called this in 1980? Anyone? Something-d-o-o FTA. - No, not "Voodoo FTA."
It's a "multi-satellite" dish used to receive DISH Network programming.
Ryerson - You still didn't answer the question. Dish 500 is nothing more then a piece of metal with a dish 500 logo painted on it. It means nothing. What you need to figure out is what LNB's you are using. Get with the program buddy if you want answers, you need to know the question to ask.
PRFRMNJ , i checked and it appears to me that it is a "twin LNB". The LNB is similar to this pic below:
However, i'm seeing similar pictures for dishpro plus, how can i tell the difference?
Do u know about the sw-21 connection to diseqc? Or is that dependant on the LNBs as well?
LK, thanks again for that - i will get on reading that right away - u always seem to come thru. I'm hoping most of the answers are there...we'll see, i guess. If not, it won't hurt for me to keep checking -- someone may have run into this before.
Ryerson, you don't need a switch with this type of LNB. Unless it has it printed on the LNB the only way I can tell you to chedk is as follows: Using the pictuers posted above:
1. Take the LNB off the mast and look at the imputs. If you two or four it's a Dish Pro (Twin or Quad) accordingly.
2. If it has what appears to be three outputs - It's a DishProPlus and the single output is actually an input and it's a pain to get working correctly.
i do believe it is a twin....the guy who helped me install this would have told me abbout the third input - because i remember i was impressed we were getting the dual LNB (Approx. 6 yrs ago, 2000).
It was pretty new in the neighborhood already - I'm sure he would have mentioned the third, additional, option if it were there.
This type of LNB has a built in switch. There is no need to connect a SW-21 switch to this. Not to mention SW-21's are not to FTA Friendly. So the answer is NO, don't connect the switch. Simply connect a cable from the LNB to your box and configure as posted above.
"Last but not least - you'll need to configure your box as I posted earlier 119 to DiSeCQ #1 and 110 to DiSeCQ #2."
OK, this is useful to know.....
I'm curious, why would it need to be so specific? Because i'm certain it's not on 1 or 2....
Also, stupid question...but how will i know which cable is 110 and which is 119?
Right now, hooking up either one just gives me the same channels when scanning. But then again, i don't think they are hooked up as u advised: 119 to #1 and 110 to #2
Ryerson - The LNB has a built in Switch. That means that one cable directly into your box is already going to have both signals (110 & 119). As for why so specific on the numbers. This is standard setup for that type of LNB. It carries 119 in position #1 of the built-in switch and 110 in position #2. That's why you have to be specific in the configuration. Basically, go into the antena setup/installation and where you have the option by the DiSeCQ put the appropriate numbers. You do not need to run two cables. Just one cable from the LNB to the box.
PRFRMNJ, thank u for all that...it may take me a while to do this, and some more reading....i will keep u posted. But these kind of hints 119 to 1, is what I was looking for to try anew.
I'll keep u posted, hopefully there will be some progress.....thanks again.
FYI...most Dish 500's have either 1 TWIN Dish Pro (DP)logo on it...or 2 dual LNB's (these do NOT have to be DP)..the twin receives 2 sat signals (110-119) and sends both signals to receiver on 1 cable connected to 1 of the outputs (it has an internal disque switch that combines the 2 sat signals)....the dual receivers ONLY 1 sat signal...both LNB's have 2 outputs for 2 receivers..Many get Dual and Twin confused...below is a pic of each
and if its an old Dishnet (DN) install, it probably has a SW21 switch for DN receivers and a legacy twin LNB...if so, U cannot use the legacy twin LNB or the switch..for Pansat FTA receivers, if U have a TWIN LNB, it must say Dish Pro"... U must use disque switches or multiswitches if more than 2 receivers (not SW switches),if using other sats and LNB's like the 91 and 121, along with the 110 and 119...
If U have a Dish Pro Plus(DPP) TWIN LNB, which is highly unlikely, unless this is a very recent roof install, then U can use the LNB, but NO switches and can ONLY run 1 other LNB/sat directly to your DPP LNB twin LNB...and MUST leave receivers on all time to power the LNB's..The DPP LNB's are not great for FTA use...and U can tell the difference of DP and DPP by just reading the LNB's logos..
UNDERSTAND DISH PRO STACKED TECHNOLOGY..another c/p
DishPro LNBFs are a new technology that is only supported in the newest receivers from Dish Network (Models 301, 501, 508, and 721). DishPro LNBFs and switches allow for longer runs up to 200 feet from receivers to the dish. DishPro installations are easier as there are fewer cables to run from the dish to the switch(es) for more than 2 receivers as well as simpler installations if more than 4 satellite feeds are needed (especially important now that 721s and 921s need 2 satellite feeds per receiver). Quick lesson: all DBS providers have up to 32 frequencies to use per orbital slot. The Frequencies are opposite polarities either even or odd. Legacy LNBFs and switches can only transmit one polarity at a time down the feed cable to your receiver. Legacy switches and LNBFs use a voltage signal from your receiver to change the polarity of the LNBF it is connected to, 13 volts is odd, 18 volts is even. Since voltage will drop as the length of the cable gets longer, at some point the attenuation of the cable will drop the voltage from the receiver below 18 volts so that the LNBF can't switch to the even polarity even though the signal from the receiver is 18 volts the LNBF is only able to use the 13 volt or odd polarity. DishPro is different as it will stack or transmit both even and odd signals down the same wire, by shifting the frequencies up so both polarities can travel the same feed to the receiver or switch. Since this is the case the LNBF doesn't need the receiver voltage to switch back and forth. A switch is necessary to be able to connect one stacked 119° feed and one stacked 110° feed to each receiver. The only way a legacy receiver will work with this arrangement of LNBFs and Dish Pro switches is with a DishPro adapter that can down convert the stacked frequencies to the standard odd or even only frequencies. Each legacy receiver has to use this adapter which must be installed within 10 feet of the receiver.
FTA testing requires to change all Horizontal polarity to Vertical due to the fact that Dish Pro uses stacked technology(bandstacking scheme the IF frequency of the horizontal block is shifted upwards to vertical) They will need to be edited for example( just go to Menu-Installaytion-Tp/edit and set all to V) then subtract all horiz. transps. frecuencies from 25600. enter result as your new transp freq. (IE. on sat 119 transp 6 is 12297h. doing the subtraction, you get 13303. So change transp 6 to 13303). This is needed because dishpro lnbs use an oscilator that runs at 25600mhz. this is mixed with the horizontal transp freqs and new freqs are generated.
There are no such logos on it, but it does look more like the bottom pic u posted.
Also, ur first description sounds accurate, and is similar to what i was told years ago. But it has received both sat signals 110 & 119 in the past ....just not very efficiently.
The receiver was originally made for the Dish Net receiver....but even caused problems back then....switching channels and things like that.
The sw switch has been diconnected for a while...so i guess i won't bother trying it on my FTA equipment.
If it looks like the bottom pic of a TWIN LNB, BUT NO "Dish pro" logo, then U cannot even use it with the Pansat!...its a Legacy twin with a sw21 switch and probably had another LNB or dish going to the switch..
wow, really....it does work though....it just gives me headaches at times: like now when i'm tryin' to blind scan 110 and 119...but it was working half decently a few weeks ago.
I/m finding all kinds of crazy combinations of dish 500/LNB and pro setups online - driving me nuts sifting thru them all.
