Have not been in this game for a couple of years DTV and Dave about wore me down. Got tired of messing with cards and box keys and gave it up. Have some older FTA stuff (Eary Pansats & Sat Cruiser) and that's about it right now. Looking for a new FTA (View Sat 2000 or Coosat 5000) which one is by far the best to have these days! Tvfan