Hifonics?
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Silver Member Username: HondariderGlidden, Iowa U.S. Post Number: 152 Registered: Sep-05 | Whats so bad about these amps do they have bad sound quality? Or do they just not make the power that they say? |
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Silver Member Username: Chaunb3400Huntsville, Alabama U.S. Post Number: 741 Registered: Jul-05 | they put out 70-80% of what they say, i heard somewhere that a 1505D (1500 rms) only put out like 980's |
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Silver Member Username: Chaunb3400Huntsville, Alabama U.S. Post Number: 742 Registered: Jul-05 | great budget amp though |
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Gold Member Username: RovinTrinidad & T... Post Number: 1763 Registered: Jul-05 | "they just not make the power that they say?" - i think thats the main concern . According to guys on this forum they actually put out about 70/75% of actual rating but thats not too bad considering they are economical for ppl who can't spend much $ |
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Silver Member Username: HondariderGlidden, Iowa U.S. Post Number: 154 Registered: Sep-05 | So if it was between a factory refurbished Kicker 04KX450.2 and a new 600 watt hifonics amp which would be better? |
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Gold Member Username: RovinTrinidad & T... Post Number: 1768 Registered: Jul-05 | to power what ??????????? |
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Silver Member Username: Chaunb3400Huntsville, Alabama U.S. Post Number: 751 Registered: Jul-05 | Most people dont like refurbs but the Kicker probably put out more power, last longer, and is just better |
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Silver Member Username: HondariderGlidden, Iowa U.S. Post Number: 155 Registered: Sep-05 | it would power 2 re res |
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Gold Member Username: RovinTrinidad & T... Post Number: 1772 Registered: Jul-05 | http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=15324 thats the best deal i can find right now but i do see what problem u would have picking an amp cause most mono around 400wrms are @ 2ohms so a 2 channel is your best bet ..... |
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Gold Member Username: CarguyPost Number: 4911 Registered: Nov-04 | As I have said many times before, Hifonics aren't good amps. So whatever you do, don't buy it to power expensive SQ subs. Also, don't buy amps based on power numbers. You're not comparing apples to apples. 1000w from a cheap amp will contain lot of distortion/clipping, where as, 1000w from quality amp will actually contain music. Another thing to keep in mind, lot of the "1000w" from Sony/Pyramid/Pyle/Lanzar/Boss/Hifonics are not contineous power. What this means is, with a rap song that has "boom, boom boom" notes, the amp may give you 1000w. However, if you had one that contained "boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom", till start frying your amp. If you plan on pounding the subs all day, you want amps with "contineous" numbers. Go to www.bcae1.com and read up on it. If you don't believe me, go buy the popular Hifonics amp and try it. |
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Gold Member Username: CarguyPost Number: 4912 Registered: Nov-04 | The point I was trying to make was, you get what you pay for, and 1000w from a cheap amp is not the same as 1000w from a quality amp. I've seen too many people say "Hifonics" will pound harder and is cheaper than "brand A." |
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Silver Member Username: FandimReno, Nevada United State... Post Number: 371 Registered: Jun-05 | Isaac, HiFonics lists RMS numbers, not max. :-P They're not the best amps, agreed, 100%. However, to group them with pyramid/pyle/lanzar/boss...?? Well.. That seems a bit extreme. Heh heh. A HiFonics brutus 1605 claims to put out 1605 RMS, not peak. You get about 70% of that realistically @ 1 ohm. And that is RMS. |
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Silver Member Username: Chaunb3400Huntsville, Alabama U.S. Post Number: 761 Registered: Jul-05 | 1123rms from a lower-mid amp |
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Gold Member Username: CarguyPost Number: 4913 Registered: Nov-04 | Okay, maybe it doesn't belong in the same line as Sony/Pyramid/Pyle/Boss crap, but I just don't want people to think Hifonics is a great quality product. It is good for cheap SPL setup, but not SQ. Hifonics lists rms numbers, but it is not continuous. There is almost 3 ways of advertising, peak, rms and continuous. Sony/Pyramid/Boss/Pyle/Lanzar use "peak", Hifonics and other cheaper brands use "rms", and JL/Zapco etc, will use continuous. This is why I stressed, 1000w is not 1000w. Therefore, shopping by power number can be deceiving. |
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Silver Member Username: HondariderGlidden, Iowa U.S. Post Number: 157 Registered: Sep-05 | Rovin Does diamond audio amps make the power that they say? |
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Gold Member Username: RovinTrinidad & T... Post Number: 1796 Registered: Jul-05 | These brands fall into the GOOD Amp catagory according to the infamous good/bad list Alpine Avionixx Cadence Crossfire Diamond Audio Directed (DEI) Earthquake JBL Kicker MA Audio Memphis Audio MTX Audio Phoenix Gold Rockford Fosgate (Power and Punch series) I was plannind on getting a Diamond Aduio amp about 2mths back & ran a thread asking about the brand & i think either Glass/Isaac/Jonathan posted back that its a good product though not as great as Zapco/Xtant . that Diamond i pointed out to u is rated @ 200wrms @ 2ohms per channel & a RE RE is rated @ 175 so u should be ok . U can also run it bridged & wire both your subs @ 4ohms ..... If u are considering it - run a new thread & get some feedback on what ppl power them with .... |
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Silver Member Username: HondariderGlidden, Iowa U.S. Post Number: 160 Registered: Sep-05 | Is this a good website this seams pretty cheap? http://www.audio-n-more.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=401s &Category_Code= |
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Gold Member Username: RovinTrinidad & T... Post Number: 1797 Registered: Jul-05 | looks good on paper but pretty sure thats an old model cause non of the current line up looks like that . Could be Refurbed stuff too . I'm not trusting it/them . Have u gone on Ebay ???? |
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Silver Member Username: Chaunb3400Huntsville, Alabama U.S. Post Number: 774 Registered: Jul-05 | That website is way overpriced, on other products |
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New member Username: TransientTaos, N.M. USA Post Number: 1 Registered: Oct-05 | To Rovin,Chauncy,& Hondarider Kicker subs pound period and Hifonics amps are powerhouses. Go to maxxsonics.com to look up there true power ratings. Look at my stereo profile. You could here me a mile away and it had very crystal clear sound. There are many factors to have a great sounding system. Even pyramid bumps. It is all about wiring, box sizes, and power consumption. I went from 8-15 Kicker comps running 2,000watts with 2 older Hifonics amps. Now I have one Colossus XX 2 amp at 3,200watts mono 2ohm running just 2 Kicker solo X 12". Which pounds even harder with less. So don't crap on a brand unless you've really experienced it's potential. If you can't hook up right get someone with plenty of experience to help. |
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Gold Member Username: RovinTrinidad & T... Post Number: 1933 Registered: Jul-05 | If u mean OLD Hifonics stuff - then u are so right . But iF its the current models , they are overrated in power & many experienced ppl who have used it posted that its approx 70% in actual power ..... |
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Silver Member Username: Iufan4lifeulPost Number: 656 Registered: May-05 | hondarider. Go 450.2 and 2 RE re12's sealed  . Same setup I have and love it. Hopefully in a couple days I will throw some updated pictures on here of it. |
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New member Username: TransientTaos, N.M. USA Post Number: 2 Registered: Oct-05 | Rovin, mabye so, but I got 150 ampre alt, 2 Stinger deep cells,and 0 gauge to 2 gauge power wire,plus an 8 farad cap. That is the new colossus and My mid & hi amps are 2 Zues zx1000's rated at 500x2 at 2ohm to all infinity kappa coaxils and tweets. I've had it tested and my system output is aprox. 5,420watts of power pushing and plenty of thump with that soundstream cap. So I would have to differ from you unless you're just talking rms power. Yet, you keep enough juce running to the monsters they will push out their potential. |
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New member Username: TransientTaos, N.M. USA Post Number: 3 Registered: Oct-05 | Oh yeah, and crystal clear as always. That is the most important not power |
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Gold Member Username: RovinTrinidad & T... Post Number: 1944 Registered: Jul-05 | U are the 1st person i've read about any where using the new Colossus - so i can't say yea or nay about it & will have to take your word for it ....... |
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Gold Member Username: CarguyPost Number: 4954 Registered: Nov-04 | John, your post doesn't add up. 150A alternator can not support 5420w. 50A+ will be used by your car, therefore only leaving around 100A. If you're good in math, you can figure out how long your 2 Stinger deep cells will last at 5420w load. FYI, just cause something "pounds" doesn't mean it's SQ. |
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New member Username: TransientTaosUSA Post Number: 5 Registered: Oct-05 | Perhaps, but the more mids and hi's with plenty of clean power,you can definately hear the lyrics, though not as far as the bass. Also the setup is in my new truck,a 01' silverado. I'm not cranking it when I,m driving. it's just to loud and when I'm parked it is plenty of juice. The baterries are just as good as optima, which I would run 1 of those to my old system half the night and my old truck would start right up. |
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New member Username: TransientTaosUSA Post Number: 6 Registered: Oct-05 | Oh yeah, and my old system was around 2,800 watts. a stock alternator. Which they are used only to stsrt the engine and juice the battery. |
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Silver Member Username: FandimReno, Nevada United State... Post Number: 382 Registered: Jun-05 | Uhh - 5420 watts RMS, will take out a pair of batteries pretty quick actually.. Two fully charged yellow tops, drawing only in the neighborhood of 4 kw RMS, can discharge pretty quickly.. Not a chance I could run them 'half the night'. Not even close. |
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Gold Member Username: RovinTrinidad & T... Post Number: 1954 Registered: Jul-05 | well his "name" is John Carey - aka John Kerry ... |
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New member Username: TransientTaosUSA Post Number: 7 Registered: Oct-05 | Also, if you don't believe that. This car audio fanatic who When I first met had 32 12's mtx and 4 of the 1st series colossus in his van at Desert Sound,Las Cruces N.M.. Now that was insane. Then 2 yrs. later I met up with him in Silver city. He took me for a cruise in his escort With 6 autotek 12's and 1 colossus(probably 3000 watts it put out then into 1ohm). All off a stock alt. and 2 baterries & 2 two farad caps. If that is not all this guy my friend & I met had a old honda crx with the old hifonics 1 ch. cyclops amp. Around 550 into 1 ohm, but it had to put out more. He ran a 10" original bazooka and 4 alpine coaxils off that 1 ch. amp and that was one of the cleanest systems I heard in a long time. |
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New member Username: TransientTaosUSA Post Number: 8 Registered: Oct-05 | You guys can believe whatever. I know what I have and it's all good. I was originally trying to defend Hifonics. Now a days there is just to many brands to choose from. So to each their own in stereos and beliefs. Now, someone should talk about dj equipment. |
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Gold Member Username: CarguyPost Number: 4956 Registered: Nov-04 | Here'a an easier way to picture power demand and usage. Think of a 1000w and 200w light bulbs. You have a power supply that can only handle 200w. If you attached 200w to it, you will get 200w of light. Now connect 1000w light bulb. What do you think will happen? Mathematically, you can not get 1000w of light. This is what a lot of newbies assume in car audio world. They install 3000w amp and thinks the stock alternator will handle it. In reality, you might be getting 600w rms. Best way to prove this theory is to get 200A alternator, then figure out exactly how much current will be available for the amp (around 150A). Then install 1500w amp. Now listen, measure the output power from the amp. Next, install 5000w amp and do the same. You will notice that both amps will sound pretty much the same (in loudness). Just cause a device demands 300A doesn't mean it'll get it from a stock alternator. Yes having extra batteries will help somewhat, but again, read the reserved current rating of the battery. If something sucked up 300A, it'll last 5mins or less. Another thing you can do is check up on power inverters. If you look at the 3000w model, it'll tell you that a car battery can be drained in matter of minutes at that power level. Just imagine what 5000w will do. |
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