First of all i would like to say thanks to some of these Posts, they have helped me quite a bit (not to mention the immature ones are pretty funny)Anyways, i used the BIN on two pansat's and has been working fine, now my next target it BEV. SO: 1. can a FTA rec'r be used to get BEV 2. if so, can i use the same BIN (for dish), load up the BEV channel list (like i did) and put in the keys somewhere?